Where does it say in the bible, that Lucifer and his followers started a war in heaven and were cast down?

Question

to the earth?

Answer 1

Well, Lucifer is an actual mistranslation in Isaiah 14:12-17, and has been completely twisted by christian doctrine. This passage in Isaiah is about a babylonian king (Halel in hebrew means day-star) who tormented the jews for a long time and who lost his power. Lucifer isn't hebrew or greek..it's latin and it means light bearer.

As for this war in heaven thing in revelation, that was a common folktale that came into being after the Greeks invaded Jerusalem some 400 years before the New Testament. The Greeks had a very strong good versus evil belief and they incorporated that into the translations of jewish texts. (there is, to this day, a jewish day of mourning for when the greeks began to translate their TaNaKh- what you call the Old Testament) Ever notice how there are no demonic possessions in the Old Testament, but the New Testament is rife with them? Thank the Greek invaders for that one.


The jews did not believe at all in a fallen angel named Satan (to this day they don't). Ha Satan (hebrew: the challenger) was/is in God's employ. He is the one who challenges your faith to test it. He has never been God's enemy.
Considering you christians got a lot of what you believe from the jews, I would've thought you'd study up on judaism and history to learn more about your faith.

Answer 2

It doesn't. The Dragon did this. Its in Revelation.

Lucifer, for all intents and purposes, is Jesus. Jesus called himself the morning star. Lucifer means morning star, nothing more and nothing less.

In Isaiah God sent a taunt to the king of Babylon calling him a morning star sarcastically because the king though pretty highly of himself.

Not sure why we call the adversary Lucifer. Its a big misinterpretation that was perpetuated by traditional doctrines of man rather than God.

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Ha, I get a thumbs for speaking the truth. Since when did morning star and dragon mean the same thing? Everyone keeps quoting revelation, says nothing about any lucifer (morning star)

Here's a verse for you:

Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star (lucifer)."

Isaiah 14
4 that you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, and say, "How the oppressor has ceased, {And how} fury has ceased!

...

Isaiah 14:12
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning (lucifer), son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

How did we go from the king of babylon to some fallen angel?

Answer 3

Revelation 12: 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Revelation 12: 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Revelation 12: 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Answer 4

It doesn't. The story of Lucifer's fall from heaven is part of early Christian folklore.

Now, I'm assuming that you are speaking of this as an event that supposedly happened in the past, not one that's "prophesied?" If so, the passage from Revelation is irrelevant.

As far as the very brief passage in Isaiah, note that it doesn't really tell the story of Lucifer and his rejection of god and the war in heaven, etc. It just says he fell. Here's the thing - Lucifer, in the old testament, is not the Adversary (Satan); it's Venus. The mention in Isaiah is just biblical astrology that has been taken wildly out of context.

Answer 5

Revelation Chapter 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for *them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Answer 6

(Hebrew helel; Septuagint heosphoros, Vulgate lucifer)

The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning" (Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the "Exultet" of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.

The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1:14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4).
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Answer 7

Revelation bankruptcy 12.....the battle broke out in heaven among Jesus and the angels, and Satan and his demons. The influence used to be the everlasting ousting from heaven for Satan and his fans and their being thrown right down to the neighborhood of the earth, to which high-quality "woe" has been skilled for mankind ever in view that this occurred. Bible chronology and secular historical past have bore out the indisputable proven fact that this happened within the yr 1914, as partially evidenced by way of the truth that in that yr the arena enjoy its first ever globe-encompassing conflagration. (Question's and Jorge's mendacity double-speak and distortion are natural......as are their slanderous and ridiculous lies towards Jehovah's Witnesses. They do it in each and every JW-comparable query any individual asks. Pathetic.)

Answer 8

I'm house sitting and don't have my notes with me but I also wondered this and did some searching. There are a few references to it spread thru Genesis talks about the Serpent being ancient so I always assumed that it happened before creation happened.
READ Ezekiel 28v12 onward
The whole chapter is relevant but 12 on speaks of him who was in Eden.

Keep searching you'll be amazed at what you find!!

It is not a story in itself

Answer 9

"Then a war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels fought back. But it was not strong enough, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. The huge dragon was thrown down. That ancient serpent, called devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was thrown down to the earth, and its angels were thrown down with it." (Revelation 12:7-9)

Answer 10

Isaiah 14:12-15 talks about satan being cast out of heaven:

12"How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
13You said in your heart,
'I will ascend to heaven;
above the stars of God
I will set my throne on high;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
in the far reaches of the north;[a]
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.'
15But you are brought down to Sheol,
to the far reaches of the pit