Creationists: Do you believe it when the scientists state that most creatures which ever lived are extinct?

Question

....And how could this have happened in such a short period of time, say 6000, or even 10,000 years?

Do you believe that we caused the extinction of the wooly mammoth? And what evidence do you have to support that this extinction of such a vast variety of creatures happened so recently?
and..
Do you believe there was EVER an ice age?

Answer 1

Yes, I believe that the creatures we see in the fossil record did indeed live. However, I do not believe they lived and died millions of years ago. Let me discuss this a bit.
How could these creatures go extinct in such a short period of time? Well, the same way creatures go extinct today. They are hunted down or their habitat is destroyed. Enter the Flood. A worldwide flood as discussed in the Bible could easily have impacted the habitats of many of these creatures. It also can account for the "ice age" as much of this water would have frozen at the poles due to the change in the environment.
The flood also explains why we see a fossil record. When an animal dies today, it does not become a fossil; it rots. The same would have happened in the past. In order to fossilize, a great deal of pressure has to occur in a very short period of time. Once again, this is explainable through the flood. What is remarkable is that these "stories" were made up thousands of years ago, before science could prove that fossils are made that way. Pretty impressive. They must have been either scientific geniuses on a scale far beyond us back then, or maybe they were telling the truth.

On a side note, it is interesting to know that modern day horses have been found in the fossil record in layers below the creatures they supposedly evolved from. Guess they must have de-evolved and then re-evolved later. Or maybe that is wrong too.

Answer 2

I really, really wish the young-earthers had not hijacked the creationist position in this debate, although I think evolutionists like it that way, because it's so much easier to defeat.

My current position: The earth is over 4 billion years old. But I'll give you 4 /trillion/ years, and matter is still not going to organize itself into molecules carrying gigabytes of information and complex metabolic micro-factories with interdependent components. (btw, this is the very issue that led former atheist Antony Flew to go deist.) Were that ever going to occur under the conditions that existed on the very early Earth, it would have taken many orders of magnitude longer. (And please don't quote the Miller-Urey experiments, long ago proven irrelevant.) The Hebrew word for "day" in Genesis 1 can be readily translated as "epoch." (It was actually done so in several other biblical contexts.) God created new creatures to replace the thousands of species that went extinct over these long periods of time. Young-earth creationists are forced to resort to bizarre, ridiculous theories to reconcile the observational evidence with their particular doctrine of soteriology.

::EDIT:: If we "uneducated" engineers felt at liberty to extrapolate our data in the manner suggested by kmankman4321, the entire developed world would be in mortal danger. It's also been my observation that biologists in general are rather weak in mathematics, and almost as weak in their understanding of design. They do tell a good story, though. (And they seem to be impressed by the word "billion.")

::EDIT 2:: Lion of Judah: paste much?

Answer 3

Look at the extinction rate of the last 100 years and projected for the next 100 years.

Answer 4

I do not believe that there was ever an Ice Age.

BUT,

I do believe the the extinction of many species of created animals, insects, etc., was due to

BOTH

man and the flood of the Bible found in Genesis.

Answer 5

I could be wrong but didnt cavemen...aka humans kill the mammoth off? I am sure we killed them several different way. my favoite being to scare them to run into a certain place where they run off the side of the mountain...etc and hit the ground and die. I could be getting the mammoth mixed up with another animal but whatever the animal was I know it is now extinct.

Answer 6

If you watch the Discover channel, it goes over all the questions you have asked and gives explanations that even a 5 year old can understand. Quite interesting stuff too, not that I believe scientists 100%.

Answer 7

There are only a select few who believe the earth is only 6K years old. Many of us do not doubt some scientific things, we just do not believe that we evolved from one single cell organism that appeared from nowhere.

Answer 8

Oh boy. How is it that creationists still exist? I have never found it easy to convince myself of something so blatantly false. Pull your head out of your *** and educate yourself. The Bible is based on lies and was written by men then edited by more powerful men to suit the needs of those in power. All religion is lies. And the creatures scientists talk about going extinct, well that happened over 4 billion years, not 6 to 10,000. They are including bacteria and other single celled organisms. And how can you discount evolution when it can be reproduced in a lab. How about going from wolf to dachsund in 25 generations? If you can do that in a few short years then what could you do over millions of years and tens of thousands of mutations. Man alive, please tell me you can read so you can go get some education.

Answer 9

Where is the trillions of fossils proving your theory of Evolution?

Yes I believe dinosaur exist they were mentioned int he bible.
God speaks about Behemoth in the book of Job, Chapter 40, Verses 15-24,
Also The Bible books of Job and Psalms speak of Leviathan, which was a giant seagoing dinosaur-like creature.

The Flood in Genisis caused a drastic change in climate. The fact is people lived during the dinosaur age.
http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/video.html
God probably chose to wipe them off the face of the Earth because they were a corrupt animal.

Answer 10

Honeywell, Inc. 40 years in design and development of automatic controls for aircraft and spacecraft. Lead systems engineer on E1B/S2F automatic control system, lead systems engineer on Apollo command module control system – in addition to various aircraft and spacecraft systems. Independent research in ancient history, archaeology and dating techniques. Participation in excavation activities in Glen Rose, Texas and Hanson Ranch, Wyoming. President, Twin Cities Creation Science Association. Author of TEXAS TRACKS and ARTIFACTS.

Abstract: The secular view of mammoths centers on an Ice Age environment and extinction some 10,000 years ago. Some creationists view the mammoth remains as evidence from Noah's Flood. These large animals could never live in an Arctic environment such as we find in Siberia and northern Alaska, primarily because there is no food supply compatible with their needs. Scientific studies of these animals lead to the conclusions that they were from a temperate climate, there was a mass extinction of many of them, and many were buried along with trees and other vegetation after which the land became frozen by a sudden and permanent climate change. The cause of the extinction and burial appears to be a brief but massive flow of water from a post-Flood disturbance to the earth.

Introduction

The largest quantities of woolly mammoth remains are found in Arctic and sub-arctic locations. They had long hair and underwool, and those found with meat still on their bones showed a heavy layer of fat under the skin. From this evidence the secular view of mammoths is that these large animals, by evolutionary processes, were adapted to living in a cold climate. The frozen remains were attributed to the hazards of living in such a climate. But from earliest scientific studies of these animals, a different picture emerges.

I. Characteristics

Early research proved that the mammoth was distinct from modern elephants. Although related, it is a closer relative to the Asian elephant than the African elephant based on blood tests. It was not a tropical beast, neither was it adapted to living in the Arctic. Adaptation is supposedly based on thick skin, long fur and underwool, and fat deposits under the skin. Mammoth skin, essentially identical to that of the Indian elephant, does not have oil glands. Fur without oil glands is adaptation to a warm climate. The fat layer is not for insulation, but an indication of an adequate food supply. Preserved food found in the mouths and stomachs of several specimens contained temperate climate grasses which do not grow in the Arctic today, but 2000 kilometers farther south. Temperate climate plants and animals go together. The companions of the mammoth were woolly rhinoceros, bison, sheep, horses, bears, lions and deer.

II. Climate Conditions

The climate of Siberia and northern Alaska during the time of the mammoths was not the same as the present climate. Even Charles Lyell concluded that the mammoth Arctic climate was much warmer than it is today. The present tundra mosses and grasses which grow only about eight to ten weeks of the year are unpalatable and even toxic to large herbivores. Mammoths would be living in a practical desert under the present conditions.

Large rooted trunks of trees are found in beds containing mammoths. Large trees cannot grow over permafrost. Animals living with the mammoths, horses and bison, could not have endured the mires of Arctic summer which make travel almost impossible.

III. How Did Mammoths Die?

Some modern ideas of how mammoths died include falling into ice crevasses, falling over a cliff in a storm, falling through thin ice or being buried by a landslide.

Scientific analysis of bodies and other remains in the tundra provide the following information. Remains are for the most part just bones scattered about and piled together with trees, volcanic ash, vegetation and bones of other animals. Some animals were torn apart by violent action. Animals with preserved flesh are buried in the frozen tundra near its upper surface and usually at higher elevations. Decay began before the bodies were frozen, but once frozen they never thawed until exposed by erosion or excavation. The animals died suddenly in the late summer as indicated by food found in their stomach or mouth. Frozen mammoth remains and other animal remains increase in number the farther north one goes in Siberia, being most numerous in the New Siberian Islands.

The probable cause of the death of so many animals is described by H.H. Howorth.

"A great catastrophe occurred by which the mammoth and its companions were overwhelmed over a large part of the earth. This catastrophe involved a brief but widespread rush of water which not only killed the animals but also buried them under continuous beds of loam and gravel."


IV. Dating the Catastrophe

The big question is "When did it happen?" Based on Biblical history, the event happened after the Flood of Noah. Not all people agree with this conclusion.

But there were other effects of the orientation change. Great tidal waves were reported by the Chinese and North American Indians. The Sahara dried out and became a desert. Its present condition appears to have begun after 2000 B.C. The Tarim basin in China was once populated with cities and settlements and forests. Now it is mostly desert. There is evidence that India, Pakistan and Iran all had abundant rainfall before the climate changed. Large areas of former agricultural land on the India-Pakistan border are now desert. American deserts once had abundant rainfall based on pollen and tree remnants found at archaeological sites. All the world's deserts seem to have started about 3500 years ago. This is the same period identified by Charles Ginenthal for the extinction of the mammoths. It is also the time of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt.

References

1.Stewart, J.M., Frozen Mammoths from Siberia bring Ice Ages to vivid life, SMITHSONIAN, Vol 8 No. 9, Dec. 1977

2.Hapgood, C.H., The Extinction of the Mammoths and the Mastodons, Ch. 10, The Path of the Pole

3.Howorth, H.H., The Mammoth and the Flood, London 1887

4.Farrand, W.R., Frozen Mammoths and Modern Geology, SCIENCE, 17 March, 1961

5.Dillow, J.C., The Riddle of the Frozen Giants, Ch. 10, The Waters Above, 1982

6.Ginenthal, Charles, The Extinction of the Mammoth, The Velikovskian, Vol III, Nos. 2,3, 1997