Koran is not the word of allah?

Question

How can muslims say that the koran is the word of allah and has not been changed? It was written from 30-50 years after the death of muhammed, and was penned from the memory of some of his believers or their descendants. How can they say it's word for word what allah said? Can you remember word for word, a load of things which were talked about when you were in your twenties, and now you're in your sixties? Can you guarantee something passed down from your grandfather is actually word for word, when it wasn't even learned from text, just told from memory? Rubbish. What's your opinion?

''Umar was worried that bits of the Koran would be lost after many Muslims were killed at the Battle of Yamama. Therefore he commissioned Zaid ibn Thabit to collect the Koran and write it down. Or was it Abu Bakr's idea? Or maybe 'Ali's? There are several other difficulties: Could this have been accomplished in only two years? The Muslims were fighting the Battle of Yamama (in Central Asia), why had these new converts memorised the Koran but the Arab converts had not? Why was this collation not an official codex but rather the private property of Hafsa? It sounds like these traditions were INVENTED to credit the popular Abu Bakr and (more significantly) to debit the much maligned Uthman''

I've capitalised the word 'invented' for you, regarding Zaid Ibn.

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

''One major (and often un-addressed) question is – how much can we rely upon the memories of the early Muslims? Can we assume that they not only remembered everything perfectly, but that they heard and understood Muhammad perfectly in the first place?''

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

''Standardisation was not actually achieved until the 10th century under the influence of Ibn Mujahid. Even he admitted 14 versions of the Koran. These are not merely differences in recitation; they are actual written variations''

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

''Also, if some verses were omitted, why couldn't some have been added? For example, the Kharajites considered the Joseph story to be an interpolation, and most scholars suggest the addition of scribal glosses designed to explain the text or smooth out rhyme.''

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

''There is no record of the Koran being used in legal decisions before the 9th century, and the Fiqh Akbar I (a sort of Muslim creed drafted in the mid-8th century to represent orthodox views) contains no reference to the Koran.''

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

''The Koran itself admits that Muslims accused Muhammad of changing verses (S. 16:103). Variations are explained by the abrogation of verses and laws.''

http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

CONSCIOUS - so there's been no change? You're WRONG bud - ''The Koran today is NOT the same as that given by Muhammad During the lifetime of the prophet and immediately afterwards verses were circulating that were either apocryphal or mistakenly attributed to the prophet. The 'Uthmanic recension was necessary to deal with the uncertainty regarding the canonical text. "It is clear that in the year 30 AH no official redaction existed. Tradition itself admits that there were various 'schools,' one in Iraq, one in Syria, one in al-Basrah, besides others in smaller places, and then, exaggerating in an orthodox sense this scandal, tries to make out that the divergences were wholly immaterial; but such affirmations accord ill with the opposition excited by the caliph's [i.e. 'Uthman's] act in al-Kufah. The official version must have contained somewhat serious modifications."
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html

Fools - who am I to say whether it is unchanged word of god? These are not my opinions you pig-headed blinkered, blindfolded imbeciles. Read the FACTS and open your eyes. Time adn time again you people will not accept the truth - if the koran said the moon was made of knob-cheese, you would believe it to your grave.

Answer 1

I wrote the koran fool

I was on some hard liquor

If i'd knew what would hav happend i'd never'd had wrote it

Answer 2

Qur'an & Science

One of the most remarkable things in the Quran is how it deals with science. The Quran which was revealed in the 7th century to Muhammad contains unbelievable scientific facts which are being discovered in this century. Scientist are shocked and many times speechless when they are shown how detailed and accurate some verses in the Quran are to modern science. Two copies of a Quran exist in a museum in Turkey and Russia. Each one is about 1400 years old. Each copy of the Quran is exactly the same as the ones today. Therefore the Quran is an authentic scripture unlike anything else. While your reading threw this remember that the Quran was revealed more than 1400 years ago, keep in mind the general idea that was common during that time and notice how detailed the verses are.

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YUSUFALI: Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?

READ THIS
http://www.quran.org/code/

Answer 3

Fact- the Qur'an remains memorized to this day. Any official publication of the Qu'an will have to be authenticated by knowledgeable people. That is one of the major differences b/w quran and the bible. Can someone rearrange the house you live in everyday and you not notice even if you were blind? The Qur'an remains fresh in the memory of muslims because we recite it several times a day. By the way, the Qur'an was written by scribes (his direct companions) during the lifetime of Muhammad, not 30-50 years after his death like you stated. Man, people really are afraid of islam to make up lies like those.

Answer 4

So in the same context is the Bible writen by God?

“Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

So wouldnt it be the same for other religions that other phophets would speak to ordinary men and they would write scriptures?

People in glass houses should not throw stones...

Answer 5

Quran itself challeges its authenticty and Allah has undertaken Himsef the security of text.If you belive in a living God, who answers your question, please ask him, what actually was revealed on Mohammad.The arguments given by you for lack of authenticity of the text have little bearing;as there is complete history of its authenticity available if you choose to read it but if you chosen to create doubts and suspicions, first thing should be the truthfulness of Mohammad himself.If he was pretender then, the whole text of Quran is not worth reckoning.Before this for last two hundred years, the European Orientalist have debated this issue but when debunked by the Muslim schloars, they did not muster the courage to come back.The stage is open for a written debate, please come forward.What benfit you are to get if authenticity of Quranic text is disapproved for one who does not believe in Islam?Quran is a living miracle, which has the in built arguments for its truth.mere academic discussions shall not be of benefit to anybody.Quran tells you of the past, present and future, morals and spirituality and social vaues and family relationship.The principles enunciated by Quran are still valid and panacea for all social problems, but it is important that you look into thing with dispassionate outlook.You say, what has been said by the grand fathers is not accurately conveyed to the grandsons as such Quran could not have been passed on with authenticity during 1400 years but can you bring any copy of Quran of medevial ages with different text.Arabs were famous for there memory, they even memorised hundreds of thousands of verses of their poets.Quran was memorised by millions of people throught this period and still hundreds of thousands are available having memorised it or learning to do so even now.What ever you are quoting or others have qouted, did not result in bringing up a revised version in any age.This privilege of standard or revised version is being enjoyed by Bible and other outdated scriptures.

Answer 6

If the Muslims want to believe in the Koran, that's fine.
If the Christians want to believe in the Bible, that's also fine.
If people want to worship a little green frog, that's also fine.

It all becomes a problem when some people want to ram it down your neck!

If there was more religious tolerance in this world, many of the problems that beset the human race would disappear!

There have been more wars started over religion than anything else, and it's about time we all stopped killing in the name of who ever!

I can't believe any religion, tells it's followers to kill another human being, surely with cancer, heart disease, and aids killing in huge numbers, the job of obliterating the human race is being done quite efficiently enough?

Answer 7

well the holy Koran was written by prophet Mohammad(pbuh)friends while he say it but what you are talking about is that the khalifa of Muslims Osman ibn affan make a hard job to make one copy of the holy Koran to be printed and make all peoples have written Koran to not forget it so you miss under stand but is that from your knowledge so sorry you don't have knowledge before making from your self silly and miss understood try to search before you make a point of view from nothing
visit this site there is a category about
Who Wrote The Quran? (PDF)
so you can read it or know it then ask please care to learn
www.sultan.org
good luck
and if you don't know feel free to ask

Answer 8

It was documented as it was reveled, by a scribe name Zaid bin Thabit(and acouple others) as well as memorized. He wrote on whatever he could get his hands on. After Mohammed(pbuh) passed, the khalifa named Uthman bin Athan had it published into a hard copy. Your facts are incorrect.

Answer 9

PRESENT QUR’AN IS NOT THE ORIGINAL BUT THAT OF USMAN (r.a.)

Question:

There were many versions of the Qur’an all of which were burnt by Usman (r.a.) except for one. Therefore is it not true that the present Qur’an is the one compiled by Usman (r.a.) and not the original revelation of God?

Answer:

One of the most common myths about the Qur’an, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Qur’an, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Qur’an, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Qur’an as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur’an authenticated.

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an

Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired

The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.
3. Qur’an copied on one common material

The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.
4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript

Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

5. Diacritical marks were added for non-Arabs

The original manuscript of the Qur’an does not have the signs indicating the vowels in Arabic script. These vowels are known as tashkil, zabar, zair, paish in Urdu and as fatah, damma and qasra in Arabic. The Arabs did not require the vowel signs and diacritical marks for correct pronunciation of the Qur’an since it was their mother tongue. For Muslims of non-Arab origin, however, it was difficult to recite the Qur’an correctly without the vowels. These marks were introduced into the Quranic script during the time of the fifth ‘Umayyad’ Caliph, Malik-ar-Marwan (66-86 Hijri/685-705 C.E.) and during the governorship of Al-Hajaj in Iraq.

Some people argue that the present copy of the Qur’an that we have along with the vowels and the diacritical marks is not the same original Qur’an that was present at the Prophet’s time. But they fail to realize that the word ‘Qur’an’ means a recitation. Therefore, the preservation of the recitation of the Qur’an is important, irrespective of whether the script is different or whether it contains vowels. If the pronunciation and the Arabic is the same, naturally, the meaning remains the same too.
6. Allah Himself has promised to guard the Qur’an

Allah has promised in the Qur’an :

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption)."
[Al-Qur’an 15:9]

Answer 10

wow - theres no point in even justifying this statement (not question) with an attempt of an answer - who are you to say the Quran is not the word of Allah? What do u have against people who believe it is?? This statement is obnoxious and offensive. Stop being so patronising! Don't you have anything better to do with your life?

Answer 11

BOOK OF THE LAW CHAP III

48. Now this mystery of the letters is done, and I want to go on to the holier place.

49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.

53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

56. Also for beauty's sake and love's!

57. Despise also all cowards; professional soldiers who dare not fight, but play; all fools despise!

58. But the keen and the proud, the royal and the lofty; ye are brothers!

59. As brothers fight ye!

60. There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

61. There is an end of the word of the God enthroned in Ra's seat, lightening the girders of the soul.

62. To Me do ye reverence! to me come ye through tribulation of ordeal, which is bliss.

THE LAW IS FOR ALL