To all of you non-belivers out there.?

Question

If you don't belive that any type of God created the universe? Then how do you belive the universe came about. Who created atoms, and molecules, and smaller things then that. Who created your conciousness, who created your free will? Who created the diffrence between good and evil deeds? It all points back to something can not come from nothing, something had to be created by a devine action. Only seriouse answers please.

You people are funny. You state that energy transforms, but how did the energy get there to begin with. I'm talking about the dawning of time itself, before anything was here. There was no energy, was no nothing.

As for devine. Thats the point of the word. It's devine, it's beyond are scope of thinking. It defeys princibles that are created by science. We can prove atoms, and energy, and molecules exist, and the have a set law. But no one can tell me how they got here.

Answer 1

Thanks Bryan, I'm with ya brother.

Answer 2

"If you don't belive that any type of God created the universe? Then how do you belive the universe came about. "

Before the Big Bang? I don't know.

"Who created atoms, and molecules, and smaller things then that."

What is this "Who" Business all about? Why does it have to be a who? Maybey they always existed.

"Who created your conciousness, who created your free will?"

I do not believe in free will. My conciousness was not created, it is more likely the result of evolution.

"Who created the diffrence between good and evil deeds?"

The very provable fact is: society is what sets standards for ethics.

"It all points back to something can not come from nothing, something had to be created by a devine action."

You have been brain washed into believing this. You have no facts, no evidence, and no means of critical thinking when it comes to examining your environment.

Answer 3

Since you asked for serious answers, I'll give you one in the hope that you will think seriously about it.

To begin with your question is problematic because you contradict yourself "...something can not come from nothing..."

This is very true and every scientist and philosopher on the planet will agree with you.

Then you say, "...something had to be created by a devine(sic) action."

This does not follow because you have made no argument showing that: 1. anything divine exists and 2. that divinity (if it in fact exists) HAD to create anything at all (much less the universe)

We don't really know how the universe started, yet. But we have some pretty good theories (theories are ideas that are backed up by solid, reproducible observations and facts, they are always being tested by the very best minds on the planet and a theory that stands does so because none of the thousands of people working to disprove it have successfully done so).

It has always been the role of theologians to make God responsible for unknown phenomena. For instance, the Greeks did not understand the mechanism behind the daily rising and setting of the sun, so they created a God, Apollo, to explain that observable phenomena.

The early Christians believed that the Earth was the center of the universe and that the stars were held suspended in the ether or firmament (which was actually thought to be firm). These beliefs were so powerful (and upheld, by the Bible) that when Galileo suggested (as did Copernicus) that the Earth revolved around the sun, he was threatened with ex-communication and certain death if he continued to spread his heretical ideas.

These early ideas about the way the physical world works seem silly to us now, but from this we learn that God in used to fill in the gaps in our knowledge. Among those who follow these things, this is called the "God of the Gaps".

The idea of God existing at all is difficult (many would say impossible) to defend on a purely rational, logical basis. However, those are the standards within the scientific community and the tests through which ALL scientific theories are run, numerous times.

To date, although there are billions of people who believe in the existence of some sort of super-natural (this means outside of nature) being or beings, there is not one solid shred of logical, rational proof that can be shown to uphold the existence of God. In fact, when we look at places where there *should* be evidence, it is decidedly lacking.

When we use our brains in the best ways we know how, we discover that to believe in the existence of anything outside of nature is irrational and many times extremely dangerous (suicide bombers? World Trade Center? Crusades?, etc, etc, etc).

That is why many of us (more every day) don't believe that any type of God created the universe. Even more think that *perhaps* a god or gods did create the universe then just went back to whatever it was doing before leaving us to thrive (or not).

I hope you'll consider learning more about the question or whether God exists. It may be the most important question we ask in this day and age. I've included some helpful websites below. Good luck.

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Edit: Your later explanations confirm what most people who answered (including me) already thought: you're not interested in science or rationality (which DOESN'T "make anything up" - that's theologians/believers).

I took a chance, spent all this time and energy writing an understandable explanation and you just hold fast to your ridiculous (and they DO deserve ridicule) beliefs and outdated notions of reality.

I'll try once more: if God exists outside spacetime, then it cannot affect spacetime without entering it. The way the universe works is that EVERYTHING obeys the laws of physics. If God made those laws, then It must obey them within the parameters It set. If It obeyed those laws, it would affect our universe/world. We would see weird things (heard of the butterfly effect?) all the time.

Since we do not see any God effect (beyond what can be explained by nature and humanity's actions/beliefs) God must not be taking any actions outside of what the physics It invented allows. Ergo, God must either not be in our spacetime and/or must not be affecting our spacetime in a supernatural way. Either way, the outcome is the same: effectively no God.

Go ahead, find fault with the logic. I dare you.

Answer 4

Why do you Christians think all "non-believers" of your religion are Atheists? I'm a Ásatrúar.

To answer your question the universe came about naturally with no help from any gods. None of the things you mentioned needed to be created, they all evolved naturally.

Of course, if you really want to get into some heavy thought, ponder this for a minute. If everything must have been created, then "God" must have been created as well. If "God" is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?

Besides this argument has another leap. If everything has a source and "God" is that source, then "God" must have existed without it before he created it. So if "God" created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus he is non-existent. If all life must come from something and that is "God", "God" is not alive and hence non-existent. If nature comes from "God", "God" is unnatural. If existence comes from "God", "God" is non-existent. If "God" is the cause of everything, "God" is void.

You see your argument has too many flaws to you take it to it's logical conclusion. You cannot have a god that embodies all the attributes you endowed him with. It is contradictory and illogic.

Answer 5

Your question presupposes that there is a whom to begin with :-)

Now as for how did the universe got it's start... the subject is entirely too complicated to attempt at (intelligently) explain it here. But, the general idea is that energy can not be created nor destroyed, it simply gets transformed. What is now mater, transforms into heat later becomes light and so on, presumably the process would work in reverse as well given the right conditions. This manifestation of the Universe is simply the state in which energy is right now, it will change and change again.

Answer 6

You are delusional. First of all, humans created the difference between good and evil. And still there is grey areas existing. Also, free will doesn't exist. Free will is the ability of the brain to process information and to preform an action. Our conscious brain has no part in making decsions. You ask for a serious answer but are so uneducated yourself with your statements.

Lastly, who created God? If you can't answer that, then we have more of an anwer to how the universe began than you.

Answer 7

That's the beauty of science, you don't have to have an answer yet. It's the search for the answer that created God to begin with. In the past people could not answer questions like where did that come from. So, instead we made things up, things that sounded good and helped keep order and faith. Yes, faith is a good thing, but ir doesn't always have to be in a god. Remember, it wasn't too long ago we thought the earth was flat and the moon was made of cheese.

Answer 8

How about another spin on this..

Who created God? How did he come from nothing?
answer: He always was, always will be blah blah blah

Well, why can't this also apply to the universe. Why does it have to start and finish? Humans grasp things on a beginning and an end scale. Why is the idea of an infinite universe in time seem harder to comprehend than a superbeing who is also infinite?
A God would also have had to come from something by your logic, which seems to contradict the whole idea of an infinite God. Do you not believe in God either?
Just something else to think about.

Answer 9

Buddhist pov: All things arise due to causes and conditions, atoms and molecules are created by smaller particles under the correct conditions that allow them to be created/arise. Mind is created by the moment of mind before, free will is a mental construct. "Good" and "evil" are mental constructs or labels that arise due to deluded thinking. It all points back to something that came from other things that caused them to arise... including your emotions, thoughts, matter, anti-matter, theories... whatever you want to put on your dotted line. We don't believe in the concept of a creator god as such a god would be ILLOGICAL per Buddhist philosophy.

There's NO finite beginning and NO finite end... when something appears to cease to exist... it's actually becoming something else. Don't take my word for it, nor the Buddha's... think about it yourself.

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Answer 10

"Then how do you belive the universe came about. Who created atoms, and molecules, and smaller things then that."

- I don't know. What's your point?

"Who created your conciousness, who created your free will?"

- Chemical reactions create consciousness. We have no free will.

"Who created the diffrence between good and evil deeds?"

- People do

Answer 11

Big bang. Why do you assume that a "who" has to exist to create atoms? If you can accept that a deity might exist infinitely, why is it so hard for you to accept that maybe matter exists infinitely, only in different forms?

Look... if you really REALLY want to know what the "atheist perspective" is, check out a few books:

The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
The End Of Faith & Letter To A Christian Nation by Sam Harris
Atheism: The Case Against God by George H. Smith
The Demon-Haunted World: Science As A Candle In The Dark by Carl Sagan