Does Jesus have to be God in order to make the gospel true?

Question

Can he be God's right hand man, king of king, and Lord of Lords and still make the Gospel true?

Just curious. I'm studying the bible and in doing so a lot of "traditional" church doctrine seems to be unraveling for me.

At the same time, a lot of wonderful truths have been opened up to me.

Is there any scripture where Jesus says, I am God?

I know about the one where he says I and the father are one. But couldn't that mean one is purpose/mind?

And if you seen me you have seen the father, could that be like:

This is Bob's child. You can certinaly Bob's traits in him.

Don't judge me. I'm sorting a lot of things out.

Recent commentaries on John admit that despite the long-standing tradition to the contrary, the term “word” in the famous prologue of John need not refer to the Son of God before he was born. Our translations imply belief in the traditional doctrine of incarnation by capitalizing “Word.” But what was it that became flesh in John 1:14? Was it a pre-existing person? Or was it the self-expressive activity of God, the Father, His eternal plan? A plan may take flesh, for example, when the design in the architect’s mind finally takes shape as a house. What pre-existed the visible bricks and mortar was the intention in the mind of the architect.

Thus, it is quite in order to read John 1:1-3a: “In the beginning was the creative purpose of God. It was with God and was fully expressive of God [just as wisdom was with God before creation]. All things came into being through it.” This rendering suits the Old Testament use of “word” admirably: “So shall My word be that goes forth out of My mouth; it shall not return to Me empty, without accomplishing what I desire and without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.” [2]

Looky what I found (verse 9):

Colossians
2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than * according to Christ.

2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

2:10
and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

I found that in that Catholic link. When 4 hrs is up I will select the best answer.

I think this verse seals the deal too:

Colossians 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Answer 1

In the earliest days of the Church, some thought down this path. They were called Gnostics. The Church then and now teaches that they were wrong, and has a number of pretty solid reasons why. The Apostles themselves, who knew Christ personally, repeatedly argued against the Gnostics using Christ's own words.

But decide for yourself. Follow the link below to find an easy-to-read discussion of it that includes quotes and such. A couple of pages long, but interesting. Best of luck!

Answer 2

John 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Capital W. The Word was Jesus Christ and it says the Word was God.

Answer 3

Proverbs 30:4

Answer 4

First of all, great job on studying the Word for yourself!!!

The answer to your question is no.

Jesus claimed Himself to be God, "I and the Father are One", and what infuriated the Jewish priests the most is when He said, "Before Moses was, I AM". Only God Himself could make such a claim, so the Jews cried "Blasphemy" and sought to kill Him.

God Himself loved us so much that He left His throne and came to walk among us, touch us, speak to us, and finally be the ONLY and final spotless sacrifice for us.
Worthy IS the Lamb who was slain.

He IS the Gospel.

Answer 5

Yes. I wouldn't know what to do with Jesus saying, "The Father and I are One." Or "if you've seen Me you've seen the Father."

John 14:7 Jesus said
If you had know Me, you should have known my Father also: and from henceforth, you know Him and have seen Him.
8 Philip saith unto Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suffices us.
9. Jesus saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, show us the Father?

ohn 12:45 Jesus said
"and he that sees Me sees Him(the Father) that sent Me.

Luke 9:26 for whosoever shall be ashamed of Me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when He shall come in His own glory, and in His Father's, and of the holy angels." Jesus said this and God said He didn't give His glory to anyone. So Jesus is God

Answer 6

Yes!! He can be and He is.. The best explanation on the net I have found is here http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html . Some things like this are inconceivable to us as humans, that is why faith is such a large part of our relationship with God. Pray and study the word, God will give you revelation.

Answer 7

He is God.

His Word is truth.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Answer 8

If Jesus Christ is not God, how can He atone for the sins of the whole world?
"Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of GOD, WHICH HE PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD." (Acts 20:28)

Answer 9

Yes Jesus had to be God to bring atonement. The debt we owe for sin is eternal death (Hell) and that could only be paid by an eternal being. A temporal being could only purchase temporary forgiveness.

Answer 10

incidentally, in the Bible Jesus (Peace be unto him) prays to God many times.

once I was watching a Christian cartoon where Jesus(peace be unto him) was with many many people and they were hungry and without food. Then Jesus(peace be unto him) saw a boy with a little bit of food and he asked the boy to share it with everyone. The little boy started singing that even though he does not have much he will gladly share.

then Jesus takes both plates (one had bread and the other fish or chicken, can't remember) and raises them high and prays to God to let it be enough to sustain them all. Then all the food multiplies and everyone is fed.

then everyone started singing something like, "there wasn't enough, but brother Jesus has fed everyone. Brother Jesus has fed everyone. Brother Jesus has fed everyone."

and all I could think was, he prayed to God and God multiplied the food, not Jesus(peace be unto him). God fed everyone, and not Jesus (peace be unto him).

it was quite clear.