Bible Question?

Question

Several parts of the bible predicts the future. Thus it can be assumed that God knows the future.
Now having stated that, here is my question. If God knows whats going to happen in the future why would He create Lucifer, knowing fully well that he would turn evil and bring sin into the world along with all other evil things?
Now some of you are going to say that Lucifer had free will. But thats besides the point if Lucifer had free will or not. The fact is God knew that Lucifer would turn into Satan and would plague mankind with his sins. If God knew that before he created satan then why did he create him in the 1st place?
There are only 2 logical answers that come to my mind.
1) God dosent' know the future meaning. This means that the bible is wrong since it stats that God has a plan and things go according to his plan.
OR
2) God wanted evil to exist in the world. Which is bad..cause that would make God EVIL
e-mail me if you want a conversation about this

Answer 1

Ok I agree with your ideas completely, but just as a side note Lucifer does not equate with Satan. Lucifer was a Sun God and brother to Diana. Personally, this concept you've pointed out is just one of the many reasons I disagree with the Christian faith...God was playing with loaded dice the whole time which makes him a pretty twisted individual and someone who really doesn't deserve worship.

Answer 2

God knew that satan would fall, and that man would fall. But He also knew that He could redeem them. And that the final results would be better than any other method he could have used.

He wanted humans who were not just "robots" or "slaves", but people who had made a decision to willing love, serve and obey him. For the choice to be real, there had to be an alternative. They could not choose between good and evil if there was not evil.

C.S. Lewis (of the Chronicles of Narnia fame) has an excellent sci fi book called "Perelandra" that deals with just this subject. Tells the story of a space traveler who lands on a planet where Adam and Eve have not yet fallen. He has to deal with the issues of sin, the fall, why would God allow it, etc. Gives you a lot to think about. You might want to try the book, it will answer a lot of the questions you are asking.

Answer 3

Eve had free will to either believe satan or believe in God. Eve chose the wrong one even after what God told Adam. Look at Job. Satan had to get permission from God to even mess with Job. And even when satan did, Job would not curse God. Job had free will but Job chose to stick with God. Man creates his own problems. Satan can only tempt. People chose the wrong path and say its satans fault when in fact its there own fault. When one chooses the wrong path there is always consequences to pay.

Answer 4

You know, my boyfriend asked me the same exact question a few days ago. I used to be a Christian, so he asks me why Christians think such-and-so, you see. I had no answer, as I was totally dumbfounded. My only conclusion is that God did want evil in the world as a "test" of humans, which (IMO) makes him a pretty crummy god.

Answer 5

The antagonism of Christian duality is actually a legacy of earlier philosophical thought. Christanity borrowed much of its dualistic philosophy from the Zurvanism, or more popularly known as Zoroastrianism:

"The starting point of the Zurvanite cosmology is closely akin to that of the cosmologies we find in the Upanishads in India. In the beginning is the undifferentiable One from which all duality and all pairs of opposites proceed. From it proceed not only light and darkness, good and evil, hot and cold, moist and dry, but also that most basic of all polarities -the polarity of male and female...For beside the myth of Zurvan and the twin Spirits that proceed from him we have that other story in which it is Ohrmazd, in this context, simply called Yazdan, 'God', who has an evil thought, that it is to say, he considers the possibility of what it would be like to have an adversary, and from this unworthy thought Ahriman, the Adversary, is actualized."

Because, the 'one' was not divided in the beginning, it held no distinction. Distinction can only come from recognition of opposites, which is something Genesis actually got right. The first act of God was to create division, to divide/divine/understand the light and the dark.

This follows Zoroastrian philosophy but then both Hebrew and Christian followers made a vast disctinction that essentially created a logic problem not found in Zoroastrianism. They basically merged Zuvan and Ohrmazd into one being, and made Ahriman a 'deviation'. Ahriman was originally conceived of as the logical 'opposite' to Ohrmazd's existence, for there to be 'light', there must also be a 'dark' by which it can understand its existence. But both of these 'aspects' were simply emanations from Zuvan. In other words, Zuvan might be considered a 'collective conscious' while both Ohrmazd and Ahriman would be considered 'aspects' of that consciousness.

The devil, in the guise of Ahriman, provides a context/antagonist by which God/Ohrmazd demonstrates that it is the 'God' of light. But as the God of 'light', Ohrmazd is essentially incomplete. It is only when Zurvan, incorporates both Ohrmazd and Ahriman into itself can it become 'whole'.

It would be the same as if you took a computer and logged into it every act you ever committed, and then only kept the 'positive' actions. Presenting that log to anyone, even yourself, would only paint a distorted and incomplete picture of who you really are, and would only create problems of logic and clarity if you (or anyone else) tried to use it as a basis for understanding you.

In many ways, Jesus tried to reintegrate Ohrmazd and Ahriman in his teachings, which is why he refers to the 'one' God. He wasn't talking about Ohrmazd, the god of 'light', he was talking about Zuvan; the reconciler of opposites, the one through whom both Ohrmazd and Ahriman find their expression, the 'alpha and omega'.

'Evil' does not come from Ahriman, 'evil' comes about as a result of Zuran/God realizing distinction. Without Ahriman, Ohrmazd, the 'God of light' cannot exist.

Answer 6

ok God new how things could end yes that is true. but he also knew that if we had free will then we could change the future he saw. i guess you could say God was an optomist.

Answer 7

you are not very educated on the bible becasue the whole point in their being evil is the whole story of jesus christ and i think that you should relize that sin was put here as a test to see who could substain it you need to read more in depth on the bible

Answer 8

This is an interesting page that might help you understand the problem.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/heaven.htm