Are there scriptures that definitely show that some will never be saved?
2 Thess. 1:9, RS: “They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.” (Italics added.)
Rev. 21:8, RS: “As for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
Matt. 7:13, 14, RS: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.”
Once a person is saved, is he always saved?
Jude 5, RS: “I desire to remind you, though you were once for all fully informed, that he who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.” (Italics added.)
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.” (So a person’s final salvation is not determined at the moment that he begins to put faith in Jesus.)
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (This was addressed to “the saints,” or holy ones, at Philippi, as stated in Philippians 1:1. Paul urged them not to be overly confident but to realize that their final salvation was not yet assured.)
Heb. 10:26, 27, RS: “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.” (Thus the Bible does not go along with the idea that no matter what sins a person may commit after he is “saved” he will not lose his salvation. It encourages faithfulness. See also Hebrews 6:4-6, where it is shown that even a person anointed with holy spirit can lose his hope of salvation.)
2007-01-16 13:24:38
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answered by Anonymous
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I believe that once a person exercises saving faith in Jesus Christ, he or she is forever in the family of God. God never kicks anyone our of his forever family. A number of Scripture passages support this view. For example, in 1 Corinthians 12:13 we are told that at the moment of salvation the Holy Spirit places us in the body of Christ. Once we are infused into the body of Christ, we are never excised from the body. In fact, Ephesians 1:12 and 4:30 indicate that at the moment of believing in Jesus Christ for salvation, we are permanently "sealed" by the Holy Spirit. At that point, we are God's everlasting property. That seal guarantees that we'll make it to heaven.
Moreover, we read in John 10:28-30 that it is the Father's purpose to keep us secure despite anything that might happen once we have trusted in Christ. Nothing can snatch us out of His hands. God's plans cannot be thwarted (Isaiah 14:24). Further, Romans 8:29-30 portrays an unbroken chain that spans from the predestination of believers to their glorification in heaven.
Another fact we need to keep in mind is that Christ regularly prays for each Christian (Hewbews 7:25). With Jesus interceding for us, we are sucure. (His prayers are always answered!)
Of course, the fact that a believer is secure in his salvation does not mean he is free to sin. If the Christian sins and remains in that sin, Scripture says that God will discipline him or her just as a father disciplines his children (see Hebrews 12:7-11).
Source(s):
The Complete Book of Bible Answers by Ron Rhodes
2007-01-16 23:03:28
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answered by Freedom 7
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No one or thing can take away a person's salvation and there is no sin that the blood of Jesus can't cover in forgiveness. In the OSAS debate it usually comes down to the question of can a person forfeit their own salvation by falling away from faith. The OSAS side says that since salvation is from God who gives the believer his indwelling Holy Spirit that none of the verses in the Bible that look like a person could forfeit their salvation would ever apply to someone who has been "born again".
The opponents of the OSAS doctrine say that God doesn't take away a person's free will and that if they choose on their own to reject the faith and to turn away from God that they can forfeit their salvation.
There are a bunch of verses each side uses to back up their position. Personally I just tell people to follow what this passage preaches and don't worry about it.
2 Peter 1:3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, (4) by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. (5) For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, (6) and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, (7) and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. (8) For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. (9) For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. (10) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.
2007-01-16 22:03:18
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answered by Martin S 7
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Yes, it can be lost, and what causes it is the person losing their relationship with God. This may be because of persecution or hardship, the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches, or cherishing a sin or idol that becomes the god in that person's life. Examples in the bible include Balaam son of Beor, who was at one time a true prophet of God, but became corrupt and in the end was destroyed with the Midianites, Saul who was chosen by God to be king over Israel, but who gradually strayed away from God until God gave up on him, and Judas Iscariot, chosen by Jesus to be one of the twelve, who let his liking for material and worldly things get the better of him until he was lost.
See the parable of the sower (Matt 13). The following quote from Ezekiel 18 is also pretty clear:
21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die. 25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? 26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. 27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. 28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? 30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live."
2007-01-16 21:41:06
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answered by Beng T 4
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The only way a person's salvation can be tooken away from the individual is if they choose to no longer follow Christ. And if they choose to live a willful life of sin without repentance nor asking forgiveness for their sins.
2007-01-16 21:27:16
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answered by Anonymous
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No, you can't loose your salvation, once you're saved, you're a child of God. Read the book of Romans and Ephesians 2:8-9. We are saved by grace, not works. I don't know why some denominations think that!!! I mean Jesus died once on the cross. Plus, if you have to work to be saved, then its not grace anymore, is it?
2007-01-16 21:33:40
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answered by the pink baker 6
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Jesus said that no one can snatch us out of the Father's hand. I do believe someone could say they believe in Jesus and then turn their back on Him and walk away. Were they ever saved to begin with? I don't know, only God is the judge of a heart. Paul did warn that there were those who followed after false teachers and "shipwrecked" their faith. But Jesus promised, if you abide in me, I will abide in you. No one will "lose" their salvation by accident.
2007-01-16 21:26:55
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answered by Esther 7
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I believe it says in the Bible that the only unforgivable sin is "blaspheming the Holy Spirit".
My Bible study teacher felt that you would really have to have had a personal knowledge of the Holy Spirit and it's power to do that though, and those that do are unlikely to ever turn away from power like that anyway.
2007-01-16 21:28:03
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answered by Cynthia D 5
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No. Read this verse.... Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Also... can you go back into your mom's womb and be unborn? NO. God always gives us something physical to understand the spiritual. Read John chapter 3.
2007-01-16 21:25:17
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answered by littledreamergirl 3
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The Watchman has my vote! What a display of BCV. I could add two verses but see no reason to with what has been said here. Have a great evening.
Eds
2007-01-16 21:37:27
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answered by Eds 7
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