After the crucifixion.. joseph of aramithea(i think) asks Pilate for the 'soma' of the christ.. pilate answers 'you may have the 'ptoma''
There is also no recorded place as the garden of gethsemenae.. what is mentioned is 'gethtshemen' the place of the jasmine garden or olive grove. the site of the crucifixion 'Golgotha' has no equivalent in jewish literature. I do not mean to question the divinity or otherwise of the christ..but surely these are important questions?
'Soma'=living body...'Ptoma'=corpse
2007-01-16 12:40:21 · 9 answers · asked by troothskr 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
wierd darryl 'ptoma' always means 'corpse' or 'cadavre', 'soma' only occasionaly to mean so. What do you think of the precise distinction in Luke actually meant? That his christ (the man) was dead or the god he represented would ressurect?
2007-01-16 13:12:19 · update #1
I did not say these things to dispute the divinity of the Christ. I do admit and confess freely that I doubt.. but as a human of his time I would wish that all should revere him and follow his example
2007-01-16 13:28:05 · update #2
There has been discovered, a place of the skull, Golgotha, so I am not sure where you get this and your other information. Do you only go by jewish literature equivalents? Are you familiar with an interlinear translation, that may help. It would stand to reason, that places like gardens, and hills, can also change over a couple thousand years. I don't think any of the information you put here, negates the stories, but I think it is good you ask. You mention being a skeptic, and are a truthseeker, and that is always good. Most of the gospels, are recorded eyewitness testimony, or from direct friends of the eyewitnesses to the events. They have survived in multiple places, and manuscripts numbers, and have amazing cohesiveness. Yes, Joseph asked for the body of christ, as he offered to have if buried on the land he owned, etc. I am not sure your exact question, but hopefully all this helped someone. Soma, and Ptoma, would make sense......he was God incarnate, and god didn't cease to exist, Jesus' human body was dead for a time. Of course it was just a corpse to Pilate. Your comments are enlightening, the more I think about it. Thanks for asking.
2007-01-16 15:50:58 · answer #1 · answered by oceansnsunsets 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The garden of Gethsemane is like the garden of Eden, man will continue to physically look for and in doing will loose the real meaning behind them. These are not physical places on earth here. Both of these garden stories contain very similar messages for us. Christ (Adam) hung on a tree in both of these stories and became a curse. The corpse is what we get when he is dead. Some think they get a living body when they eat of the tree, but it is only a corpse until he is resurrected in us and we stop eating of the tree (get down from the cross or tree).
Gal.3
[13] Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Acts.5
[30] The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
1Cor.15
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
If you look at the story of the garden of Eden closely you see the exact same story (in allegory form of course). The cup in the new testament represents the fruit of the tree in the old. That is the easies part to see, but the remaining parts are also decipherable.
2007-01-16 13:06:04 · answer #2 · answered by Sand 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
In Matt 27:58-59 the three times the word body is used is all the same in the Greek---soma----does not mean living here but whole or entire.
2007-01-16 12:57:16 · answer #3 · answered by beek 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
In the Bible, King James version,
Joseph of Arimithea asks Pilate for the body of Christ.
Yes, there is a place called the Garden of Gethsemane, the actual location.
"Golgatha" means "Place of Skulls" in Hebrew, if I'm correct.
2007-01-16 12:48:46 · answer #4 · answered by Living In Korea 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Joseph asks for the body of Christ so that he can bury Him in his own tomb. My simple faith works best for me.It is a gift from God. I do not have any doubts that Jesus is the living God along with The Father and Holy Spirit. He did rise again from the dead and ascended into Heaven where He rules with Our Father.
These in-depth answers you seek you will get from a priest or Vicar in Church. May God bless you.
2007-01-16 13:01:30 · answer #5 · answered by Birdman 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
You are mistaken on the definition of "soma". It can mean a corpse. It is used of the corpse of John the baptizer in Matt. 14.12. " And his disciples came and took the body (soma) and buried it, and they went and told Jesus."
2007-01-16 12:52:57 · answer #6 · answered by Weird Darryl 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
All I found was Soma in the greek-but you look again. If you click on the web site it brings you to the passages with Strong's numbers in the greek.
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2007-01-16 12:48:14 · answer #7 · answered by Jeanmarie 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
For the longest time skeptics of Christianity thought Jericho was make-believe. Archeologists not only discovered it but verified that the wall did in fact fall the WRONG WAY allowing the people of God to take the city!
God isnt wrong, only foolish people that deny him.
2007-01-16 12:55:14 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
Why even stress over this? It was flawed men who wrote of those alleged events that they were not even witnesses to. Do you research in the direction of who wrote the Bible, instead of the nonsense contained in it.
2007-01-16 14:46:40 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋