The pagan christ?

Question

Pagans have worshiped their own messiahs for tens of thousands of years before jesus was born. seeing the following info to 3 pagan gods Horus, Saturn, and Mithra, it clearly shows That Jesus could have been a real guy, but all the acts he supposedly did, were dont long ago, by pagan gods, he was used to create a new pagan type fable (only as a teaching tool) only monotheisticly, of course.

1) All 3 Were all virgin born of a god and a mortal woman (isis was a mortal until osiris came in early traditions)
2) All 3 Had 12 messiahs
3) All 3 Died to redeem manking and were said to come again when man needed them
4)All 3 had last suppers with their 12 deciples before they died of bread and wine.
5) Horus walked on water to a group of wishermen to prove what faith in the "gods" can do
6) Horus healed the sick, blind, and even raised a dead man named...lazarus (coincidence? i think not)
7) Jesus was wanted dead at birth by Herod, Horus was by Herot, and Saturn and Mithra were by Hera

*fishermen (not "wishermen" typo, sorry)

and to sister music. The pagan gods were often based on real peopl,e mithra for instance was based on a real man, (and saturn was based on mithra) As for horus, i dunno...thats REALLY OLD

go to http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index.html to see how over 15 pagan deities were just like jesus. Yet ou call them myths when he gets to be called real...hes no better, no worse, just..later.

Answer 1

Indeed, Jesus was NOT the first god who was borne of a virgin, performed miracles, or crucified and resurrected. Most Christians have not been educated about other religions, so they don't know that their God is a copycat version of those of other religions.

Answer 2

The earliest manuscripts from Mithraism (Zoroastrianism) are from the 1300s. I do not doubt that Zoroastrianism existed pre-Jesus (as early as 500BC? maybe)...however, 1300 years AFTER Jesus is a long time to develop those 7 characteristics.

Can you please site the Egyptian literature that states Horus had those 7 characteristics that you listed?

Wiki states that Saturn was the son of Gaia (goddess of the Earth) & Uranus (god of the heavens). Gaia was not human.

Answer 3

I'm reading a book called 'The Jesus Mysteries' that says almost all Jesus stories can be attributed to other religions...but I thought the resurrection part was the only original idea the Christians had...and it talks a lot about Gnostic Christianity; is there a book you got your info. from?

Answer 4

Well, at least you have done some homework.

John 20:30-31
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

None of the others were raised from the dead, which God did; proving the divinity of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:15-17
15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

Answer 5

1) Christ was not born from God and Mary. Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, which has not and never will imply intercourse.

Light note: It is not Saturn but Dionysys.

2) They are know as Apostles, not messiahs. IF they were messiahs thus the fact that Jesus was known as "THE messiah" would imply a contradiction.

3) Horus was born only....and ONLY to redeem Osiris' honor, since he was killed by his brother, Set. HE never died:
"Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all. "

" Young man of the Tree: This was no a 'sacrificial' title in any sense. He was simply called 'Young Man of the Tree'. How does that suggest he was hung on a tree or crucified? "

"Mithra slayed a bull. He was not a bull. He did not slay himself or sacrifice himself in any sense, and the slaying of the bull wasn’t for world peace. For that matter, Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t for world peace, either, but for salvation for those individuals who choose to follow Him."

The last part on the return is by far the most false.

4)

"The closest thing the Mithraic religion has to Jesus’ last supper is the celebration of a meal Mithra had with the sun god after slaying the bull. But nowhere is this called a ‘eucharist’ or ‘Lord’s Supper’, and since it happened AFTER Mithra’s ‘sacrifice’ and not before (as Jesus’ was), it’s hardly a comparison. As for the quote, the earliest quote along these lines in Mithraic texts dates to post-Christian times and, besides that, wasn’t said by Mithra, but by Zarathustra."

"There exists an unofficial story (that is, not part of the general understanding of the Dionysus story) in which he is, as an infant, attacked by Titans who eat everything but his heart. Zeus destroys the Titans, and restores Dionysus from the remaining heart. Who would call the Jesus story a 'copycat' of that story? Taking this 'similarity' apart, yes, Dionysus was killed. His actual body was eaten, but since Jesus' body was not (the eating of Jesus' body is a metaphorical thing), this is not a comparison. Also, Dionysus wasn't eaten in any sort of ritual for fecundity or purification. In fact, the eating of Dionysus is clearly a bad thing (unlike the eating of Jesus' body) and is punished by death. Also, he wasn't a sacred king. The king was Zeus, not Dionysus."

Horus had no such story.

5) For the record, he did not.

6) "He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus”). "

7) Nice coincidence, yet no dice. It was Perseus with Hera and Herot never existed, unless you count a science fiction novel.

Answer 6

Oops, you forgot to mention that Jesus raised himself from the dead (Horus and Saturn did not)... Jesus created the world (Horus and Saturn did not)... Jesus is alive today (Horus and Saturn are fictitious gods made up by mankind)... and Jesus is the only way to peace with God and eternal life (so much for Horus and Saturn's usefulness)...

Answer 7

There's even more than this. But I did not know a lot of these things. Very interesting.

Answer 8

Amon Heru walks among us.

Answer 9

Check out the flood myths of other (older) religions for even more 'coincidences'.

Answer 10

This is well known among us pagans.