If you were going to get a designer breed dog, like a Puggle... how would you rather have it bred....?

Question

Would you rather have a dog that was the product of a Pug and a Beagle, or would you rather have a dog that was the product of two Puggles. I was just wondering if their were any advantages or disadvantages to either of the methods. I wouldnt really wanna pay for it, since its just an expensive Mutt not AKC recognized, but still... they're cute and i wanna know.

Wow. Thanks for all your useless answers that restate what i have already written, that THEY ARE JUST EXPENSIVE MUTTS NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE AKC AND I WOULD NEVER BUY ONE!!! I was only asking because i was curious. I mean seriously... thanks for the freakin' useless info.

Ok... maybe i'll add a bit to let you people know why some of these breeds were make, like the cockapoo (sic). it was made BECAUSE IT HAS LESS FUR AND DANDER THAN MOST NORMAL DOGS AND THUS REDUCES ALLERGIC REACTIONS SO KIDS WITH PET ALLERGIES CAN HAVE DOGS! THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SO EXPENSIVE! PEOPLE ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THIS STUFF! JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION AND STOP GIVING ME STUPID OPINIONS ON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT PRICING AND MUTTS AND HUMANE SOCIETIES AND SPCA YOU FOOLS! Damn... at least no one has told me God wants me to love all dogs equally...

you have your sources... i have mine... and i think it was the labradoodle. Not the cockapoo

P.S. i love snugglin' puppies...

Sorry, but the people ive met with labradoodles, there are 2 of em, say the stupid ugly mongrel doesnt set their kids allergies off like a normal dog, so im inclined to believe them. Shedding is not the same thing as dander.

Answer 1

Of the new mixed breed craze, puggles are by far the cutest mix.

As for whether I'd pick the F1 or F2 generation, I'd go F1. Think of it this way - in the FI (pug x beagle) you are getting one set of genes from each breed, thus optimizing hybrid vigour. Genes are likely to complement because beagles and pugs don't share all of the same disease tendencies. For example, imagine that the pug father carries a recessive gene that contributes to encephalitis (brain inflammation), and passes this on to your puppy. Because beagles don't usually have this type of diseased gene, your puppy will inherit a healthy gene from the beagle mom. Thus, while your puppy has one bad gene and one good gene, it will not have encephalitis because 2 bad genes are needed to manifest this disease. This complementation mechanism will play out for all your puppy's genes so it will likely be healthy and free of any purebred diseases.

The F2 puggle-puggle cross still retains some of the advantages of hybrid vigour, but has an increased likelihood of disease. For each gene, instead of getting one of beagle lineage and one of pug lineage, your puppy could get 2 pug genes, 2 beagle genes, or 1 pug and 1 beagle gene. Thus back to the case of encephalitis, if your dog happens to get both pug genes, and both these genes are diseased, then your puppy will be more vulnerable to this condition. There's simply less of a chance of genetic complimentation.

Don't know if you could follow. I've simplified, simplified, simplified, but in the ideas I've presented sufficiently illustrate the genetic benefits when mixing breeds. If any other posters break in about dominant genes or multigene causation, penetrance or environmental factors I'm going to roll my eyes. If you couldn't tell, I'm a developmental genetics major, work in a reproductive genetics lab, and love the subject :)

A previous poster talked about the shedding issue in poodle mixes. In this case, an F2 generation is probably better, as the mother and father can be hand picked for the nominal shedding , and thus all pups have an increased change of not shedding also. Nonetheless, you want a puggle, and they'll shed either way.

I had to try really hard not to critize you in this question, as I'm for pound puppies all the way. But if you insist on buying a puggle, pick a reputable breeder - one who takes top care of their dogs, is selective about who they sell to, requires spaying or neutering of pets, and will take the dog back if you can't care for it. Nothing wrong with wanting a mutt - what's so special about AKC anyway? You may be able to get a free one at a shelter.

Answer 2

I am the owner of a purebred American Staffordshire Terrier. Both parents have a LOT of initials before and after their name, and daddy has the distinctive honor of having passed a Shutzhund test. Both parents were tested for ataxia, heart defects, hips and elbows. Puppy came with a a 7 page contract and cost me $600. My "designer dog" is a Golden-something (Samoyed I think) that I picked up from the shelter for $200. Nice dog, not all there in the brains department and sheds like a MOFO year ROUND. We got her because her temperament complimented the Amstaff we had at the time. From the third day we brought her home there was a question about her hips. She doesn't show any issues right now but we have her hips looked at every year when she goes in for her shots. She's a hybrid that was created on accident - but like all the overpriced designer dogs out there - without a purpose. Two women where I work got a couple of I-don't-remember-whats, Jack Russel and a poodle or something. People who aren't familiar with dogs see "Yorkipoo" and think it's a breed. They are advertised as a breed with false standards similar to what an actual breed would be. Some people just don't know any darned better. My FIL wanted a Puggle. I was putting on the gloves when he realized the adults are as ugly as sin. I can appreciate your disdainful tone of your questions. You are inviting people who believe the things you spouted off to prove you wrong. If anyone here would find this entertaining - there was a short lived pet store in our mall that had puppies. I'm still cringing that they were selling "Pit Bulls" (not APBT, "Pit Bull") and huskies and "designer" dogs. My husband saw a Husky - very cute (as puppies are wont to be) for $1600. He said something about the puppy and I said VERY loudly that we will NEVER buy a dog from a pet store, we'll save money and go to a breeder! Dog Lover: My dogs are cute, I wouldn't want a dog that I thought was ugly (which is why I don't want a boxer) and everyone has their own vision of Canine beauty. Dogs will have health problems - the point is that unscrupulous breeders are tossing together two intact purebreds, calling them "hybrid vigorous" and all kinds of other ridiculous things without any health tests, etc. You're another individual that just didn't know that a Goldendoodle is a mixed breed dog. I don't know how much you paid (that mix goes for around $1200 out my way) but you could have gotten a Golden Retriever mix for MAX $400 from a shelter.

Answer 3

I personally don't think there would be much if any difference in the offspring of pure Beagle x pure Pug and the offspring of two Puggles. That's simply because Puggles are still technically hybrids and don't breed true. The litters will always contain puppies with different degrees of combination of characteristics from both breeds -- some that are more beagle, and some that are more pug, and some that are evenly mixed. And it's impossible for the breeder to predict what she'll get.

It would take many generations of breeding to get Puggles that produce Puggles with predictable characteristics. When that happens, the Puggle will no longer be a hybrid but a true breed, and that is how all current existing true breeds were created.

What would I rather have? If I were buying a dog from a breeder, I would care more about how many generations of known ancestors that dog has, what their health and temperments were like, how much health testing and care the breeder has done, and what kind of guarantees and support she is offering me with the puppy.

Answer 4

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If you were going to get a designer breed dog, like a Puggle... how would you rather have it bred....?
Would you rather have a dog that was the product of a Pug and a Beagle, or would you rather have a dog that was the product of two Puggles. I was just wondering if their were any advantages or disadvantages to either of the methods. I wouldnt really wanna pay for it, since its just an expensive...

Answer 5

" like the cockapoo (sic). it was made BECAUSE IT HAS LESS FUR AND DANDER THAN MOST NORMAL DOGS AND THUS REDUCES ALLERGIC REACTIONS SO KIDS WITH PET ALLERGIES CAN HAVE DOGS!"


This is actually not true.It is only an excuse that irresponsible people use to justify breeding irresponsibly. "POO" mixes don't have less dander then any other dogs and aren't "hypoallergenic" It is dander not hair that causes allergic reaction not hair, so hair type is of little consequence. All dogs produce dander. .Poo mixes also can shed a lot or a little or anything in between.(all dogs including purebred Poodles shed, some though do so minimally so it goes virtually unnoticed) Also it is a pretty bogus excuse for many other reasons as well...there are over 350 recognized breeds of dog and there are already dogs that fit the criteria that these "designer" breeds want everyone to believe they are breeding for. It is so sad when people fall for all their phoney excuses. It doesn't matter if it is Cockapoo, Labradoodle, Goldendoodle, etc..it is still the same info. Also you can NOT take a heavy shedding breed and a low shedding breed and breed them together to get "no shed/low shed..it genetically doesn't work that way.Also in the many years that these "designer mutts" have been being bred they don't breed true and have no actual real traits no matter how many generations down they are being bred..this is one reason that they won't be considered for registration in any legit registry.

As for your question..because of structural defects in Puggles I defiantely would NOT want nor recommend a Puggle/Puggle cross. A Pug & Beagle are two breeds that defiantely should NEVER be crossed no matter how cute the pups may be.

You may have your "sources" but I have years of actual hands on experience and genetic study as well as breeding experience and extensive study in canine reproduction & breeding as well as knowledge on allergens as it pertains to cats & dogs...I also am very active in study of the "designer" mutts. I see as a veterinary tech all of the inherited issues in these mixes and I also see the training issues as a dog trainer.

Answer 6

I am the PROUD owner of a designer dog, a Bichonpoo. She is 1/2 Bichon Frise and 1/2 Toy Poodle. To answer your question seriously I would rather have a puggle that is 1/2 Pug and 1/2 Beagle rather than the product of 2 puggles.

Answer 7

I like mutts, and have seen prettier mutts than any PB. There's this one dog, product of what I think was a shitzu chihuahua mix and an unknown father *what can I say, my friend is an idiot. rather pay hundreds of dollars taking care of puppies than 50 to get her dogs fixed* and she is bloody gorgeous. My friend, her owner, is convinced her older sister from a litter a few years back is prettier, and even if she bathe and brush the dog I don't think for a second that'd be true. Anyways...

People will allways put more value on the products of PBs, which means if someone answered properly I'm sure they'd want a puggle with PB parents. Me, I don't much care for designer dogs, but that may be because all the fluffy type ones seem to have poodle in them. I think poodles are ugly to begin with, and they go and make an even uglier walking brillo pad, and I'm not all that fond of the breeds with short hair that lies flat.

I'm rambling now and in truth, have forgoten what the first paragraph said because my puppy is twitching in my lap. I love to watch her sleep...

Answer 8

You said - "some of these breeds were made .... BECAUSE IT HAS LESS FUR AND DANDER THAN MOST NORMAL DOGS .

Actual, no. A Poodle cross has a 50/50 chance of having a Poodle type coat. The worst shedder I have ever seen in 30 years showing/training dogs was a labradoodle. So you have all these people buying Poodle crosses because they are suppose to be 'hypo-allergenic, and they often end up with a dog that is just as bad for their allergies as any other breed. If someone wants a dog with the Poodle coat, get a POODLE! You'd think it were rocket science!

You said - "I was just wondering if their were any advantages or disadvantages to either of the methods"

Not really, there is no consistency either way, it takes many generations of thoughtful breeding (not to mentiona standard) for any kind of consistency. What difference could it possibly make? F1, F2, it doesn't matter, it is still an ill-bred mutt.

You said - "you have your sources... i have mine... and i think it was the labradoodle. Not the cockapoo"

Yeah, believe the unreputable mutt breeders instead of genetics. BTW, the original labradoodle breeder, who sounds like she was a knowledgable dog person, trashed her breeding program because she found that she could not get the Poodle coat to breed true, even though she bred many, many generations.

Facts, not some lies from a crappy breeder looking to make big money on the ignorance of the puppy buyers.


You said - "people ive met with labradoodles, there are 2 of em"

2 of em!!! Well then you must be an expert! LOL!!! I teach training classes and have seen MANY, and of those, MANY have a high shedding Lab type coat!

"Shedding is not the same thing as dander"

ALL dogs shed, ALL dogs have dander. The DIFFERENCE is that the Poodle coat KEEPS it in the coat and NOT all over the house!

Answer 9

My understanding is that most of the "designer" dogs are neutered / spayed before you pick them up. This prevents you from breeding them, as the consumer.

Frankly, I'm not a fan of "designer dogs". You're paying an outrageous price for a mutt...a planned mutt, but a mutt nonetheless. You have no idea if the parents had any deformities or illness that could be passed to the offspring.

Honestly, I'd go to the SPCA and get a real mutt. Cheaper, less chance of genetically passed diseases, and they need good homes.

Answer 10

F2 Puggle