If you can be born with a sinful nature yet still have free will...?

Question

then why couldn't you be born with an anti-sinful nature and still have free will? Wouldn't that have prevented lots of suffering?

If that's possible, then god must prefer the suffering to exist, right?

Believer: Why is that necessary? God can do anything right? Why can't he just make us happy without the sadness?

Answer 1

It wouldn't have been as interesting for God to watch, I guess.

Answer 2

You're right, you can't have a sinful nature and yet still have free will, i.e. the ability to look to God for salvation. Free will does exist in making decisions on a day-to-day basis, but I believe that God's grace is what brings us to Heaven and gives us an assurance of salvation from eternity to eternity in this manner. This is Calvinism, by the way, and your question shows a flaw in Arminianism. JonJon418's assumptions about Calvinism make God the author of sin, which is not Calvinism at all but rather hyper-Calvinism, double predestination which is unscriptural and cannot be extrapolated to his writings. You may want to check out the apologetics section of www.reformed.org fo more information which I'm pretty sure will answer your question.

Answer 3

After Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden, a sin-curse was placed upon the face of the Earth and against their bodies. The change of our NATURE from idyllic obedient bliss to one that could be led by sin is what makes it IMPOSSIBLE to be born with an "anti-sinful" nature.

Answer 4

Man was created with the freewill but without sin. He lived in his spiritual nature with the LORD Almighty. However, he died or was banished from the Garden of Eden in Paradise. There after, he continued existence in flesh and blood in a world Satan rules. The flesh and blood is the sinful nature. It will never be justified before GOD on any account.

So, at creation, man was active in his spirit nature and passive in his sinful nature. As a result of the banishment, man became active in his sinful nature and passive in his spirit nature. On the other hand, the freewill is always active.

Do you know that Jesus Christ resurrected so that through baptism, our spirit can be reconciled with GOD? Then you are born of water. Your spirit can now be born of Spirit to have the righteousness of GOD, or become born of GOD and live eternally with the LORD GOD. John 3:3-8. Flesh and blood has nothing whatsoever to do with eternal life. 1 Corinthians 15:50. I simply wonder why all the bother in spite of the fact that Jesus says His words are spirit, John 6:63, and therefore have meaning and fulfillment only in the spiritual. It is the spirit who was banished from Paradise that needs salvation.

Answer 5

Adam and Eve were the first people and they chosen to do issues their own way without God and so it became their selection to be sinful. you're ideal that we do no longer have administration over no matter if we opt for to be born besides the undeniable fact that it truly is any such blessing to get to stay this existence and glorify God and produce human beings into loving relationships with Jesus! you're ideal that we do not deserve a way out. people need to pay all the punishment for our sins yet our God is a loving and only and holy God and he needed a courting with us a lot that he gave us Jesus. It became of route unhappy for God even as Adam and Eve sinned because God couldn't have that satisfying courting with people completly so Jesus is the in reality way lets properly be reconciled to God. I agree that it truly is puzzling as to why it truly is our fault that we sin besides the undeniable fact that it truly is only our nature. there is no way that us people might want to be everywhere close to ideal. And our God is only no sin can bypass unpunished. Take convenience that Jesus took it for you. do no longer melancholy over this. if it quite is bugging you search for suggestion from with a pastor or kids pastor or your mom and father. God Bless.

Answer 6

Actually, that was the original plan. The first two people did not have a sinful nature - Adam and Eve. However, because they had free will they were free to choose to disobey the one rule - don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Once they did, they then knew both good and evil. The rest of us, then, inherited the natural inclination to disobey the rules - sinful nature.

Answer 7

We are all born with a sinful nature (Gen 3, Psalm 51) and yes, we have free will. As the other respondent said, God gave us the freedom to accept Him or reject Him.

Would you want to be loved by a person who have no other choice but love you?

Answer 8

But then God wouldn't get to punish you for sinning - which He knew you would from Eternity, and in fact created you with the germ of your sin already within you. He gave His only Son so that you might be saved - but He already knows who will be saved, His "elected," so the whole thing is evidently just a puppet-show for His amusement.

I pity the average "Christian" who holds these impossibly vulgar and primitive conceptions of his "God," no less of himself. This is what happens when you project your sentimental notion of the finger-wagging father-figure on to the Universe.

Answer 9

Here's what I think. Suffering needs to exist if we are to experience joy, peace and happiness.
Here on earth one can't exist without the other. We can only experience "up" if we have experienced "down", we can only experience "fullness" if we've felt "emptiness" , etc. It's called balance . . .

Answer 10

God's plan ordained the fall. Though man has "free will" that phrase is often misunderstood. We are free to choose, but the problem is we will always choose evil.

For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

We will not be "spiritually minded" until God sovereignly chooses to regenerate us. We are saved by grace through faith and it is the gift of GOD.

The reason for suffering? Sin. The reason for sin? God's purpose to reveal his glory in the love of Christ to die for sin, conquer death and to save His elect.