What are the two or three best pieces of evidence that the Koran is fake or true that you have?

Answer 1

There are in the contents of the Qur'an more than one prediction dealing with the future, and those predictions are fulfilled. Knowledge of the future is possible only to God and unavailable to any human being.

Man has advanced so far in science and technology to a stage undreamed of before. With all his advancements in knowledge, he is still unable to foresee the future. The most civilized nations wage wars against each other, and none of them is assured of victory. Should the knowledge of the future be available to them, they would have avoided destructive wars. A nation that foresees its defeat would refrain from entering any war that will be concluded by its defeat .

To recognize the human inability of foreseeing the future, we need only to remember our election campaigns. In spite of all the information which is obtained through our modern media and scientific methods, none of the candidates is sure of his victory or defeat until the votes are counted .

There is a great deal of information contained in the Holy Qur'an dealing with the future which could not be humanly predicted. Those predictions were fulfilled, and their fulfillment indicates that the Qur'an is a true Divine revelation and that Mohammad is a true messenger of God.

Some of those prophecies deal with the future of the Holy Qur'an itself. Of these prophecies are the following:

1. "Certainly We have revealed the Reminder (the Qur'an), and we shall preserve it." 15:9

This verse informs us that the Qur'an shall not perish. It shall not disappear from this world, and it will last and continue forever.

This prediction was actually the opposite of what was humanly expected. The Qur'an was introduced by a prophet who was unschooled and unable to read or write. He introduced it in a language of an illiterate nation. The Arabs at the time of the Prophet did not have a hundred readers in a million. In addition to this, the overwhelming majority of that nation was standing against the Prophet and his book, and so was the rest of the world. Under these circumstances, such a book was expected to perish and disappear. The chances of its continuity for so many generations were very slim.

2. The following verse explains:

"It (the Qur'an) is an invincible book. Falsehood does not invade it neither from before it nor from behind it, a revelation from a Mighty, Praised One." 41:41-42

This verse informs the world that the Qur'an will not be interpolated by words that had been said before the time of its revelation nor by words that will be said after the time of its revelation. It will be pure and will continue so forever.

This, also, was a prediction contrary to what was humanly expected. A book, introduced under the circumstances which we advanced, could not be humanly expected to stay pure without any interpolation.

There was no printing-machine at the time of revelation, nor such a machine was invented until several centuries after Mohammad.

History shows us that no holy book had remained pure without interpolation. The holy books had undergone many changes in many centuries. The Qur'an was expected not to be exceptional.

The two prophecies had been entirely fulfilled. The fulfillment of the first is self-evident: The Holy Qur'an did not perish. It lived and remains a highly living book. Actually the life of the Qur'an is so rich that it may be the most recited book in the world. Every Muslim is expected to pray five times a day, and each prayer includes a recital from the Holy Qur'an. Hundreds of millions of Muslims perform their daily prayers, and hundreds of millions of times the Qur'an is daily recited.

The fulfillment of the second prophecy is quite obvious. The Holy Qur'an remained unchanged. No human word was inserted into it. Even the critics of Islam testify for the remarkable purity of the text of this great book. The words of the Qur'an which we read now are exactly the same words which were recited by the Prophet Mohammad himself, without subtraction or addition.

3. The Holy Qur'an contains many statements by which the opponents of Islam were invited to produce any Arabic discourse that would compare to the Qur'anic discourse. One of these statements is the following:

"Say: If all men.... will unanimously determine to challenge the Qur'an, they will not produce its equal, even if they combine their efforts." 17:88

This statement not only challenges mankind to compose speeches and discourses comparable to the Qur'an, but also predicts clearly that any such attempt will fail, and the Holy Qur'an will remain superior to all other Arabic discourses.

This statement is very far reaching. It tells that the Holy Qur'an will not be equalled, neither at the present nor in the future. Such a statement is a prediction in a very unexpected direction. We know that the human talent and skill are always evolving and improving. This is true in any field. A scientific invention, regardless of its remarkability, is always expected to evolve and improve through additional knowledge and technology. The first plane that took off the ground, no doubt, was very remarkable, but it cannot compare to any of the planes of today.

Let us assume that the inventor of that first aircraft had predicted that his plane will not be equalled in the future. Such a prediction would be very absurd and will be disproved within one decade because it is opposed to the natural course. Mohammad recited this statement which is contrary to the natural course. He uttered these words about fourteen centuries ago, but his statement is still standing, and the events of the world could not disprove it. On the contrary, the statement now appears to be more meaningful than ever before. The older the prophecy becomes, the more truthful it will appear.

There is another amazing point in this prophecy. It is conceivable to challenge a certain class of people in a field which is not accessible to everyone, such as a special scientific field. We may conceive a gifted scientist, discovering a scientific secret not accessible to any other expert in that field. If such a scientist claims a permanent superiority in his invention, he would be challenging just a limited number of scientists.

With the Qur'an the case is different: There is nothing special in it; its discourse is composed of words and sentences with orders known, not only to a limited number of experts, but to all Arabic-speaking people. There isn't any secret that is hidden from the rest of the people. All of it is known. The challenge, therefore, is not directed to a limited number of people; it is directed to the millions in every generation. With such a universal challenge, in no field of specialization, the failure to produce a match to it is much more remarkable than the failure of a few experts in a field of specialization.

This would be more amazing when we remember that no scientific secret or discovery has remained unmatchable. The highest secret in this century was the secret of the atomic bomb. It was the most important discovery or invention in this century. In spite of its great importance, it could not be kept exclusive for the country which produced it. Other countries tried to produce the same and succeeded.

Why did the Holy Qur'an remain superior and beyond any other Arabic discourse? How did mankind refuse to accept the challenge?

Either the Qur'an is truly superior and beyond the reach of any talented individual or group in any generation (and this means that it is a miraculous book), or it is within the reach of the people, but God miraculously prevented mankind from producing a similar discourse. In either case, the prophecy has been fulfilled, and the Qur'an is still standing unequalled.

Answer 2

According to Christian teaching, the sole criteria by which one can prove it is true or false is through its fruits. "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Since the Qur'an has only produced good fruits, it is true by Christian standards.

The same goes for the Baha'i Writings.

PS. I do not agree with the evidence that Cheshire Cat gives. Cheshire Cat is assuming that Muhammad was a scholar or literateur who took a number of sources, including one scientific source and pieced them together to make the Qur'an. The argument is made that the Qur'an "misses the point" of certain stories.

This does not attempt to consider that God was using these stories to convey different ideas from those in the Bible. A simple re-telling of all Biblical stories would have been pointless. If Muhammad was the literary expert or scholar which Cheshire Cat assumes Him to be, He would have known the point of Jonah's story and would have written it in full. However, if we assume that the Qur'an is written by God and not man, it was God's decision to include or re-write the story in whatsoever manner He chose. Muhammad, His instrument, was not a scholar and could not even read.

The argument about muscles and bones very much depends on the interpretation of the verses in question.

Answer 3

The Qur'an tells of so many scientific things that have now been proven. The one that I think all relate to is the explanation of the conception of a child and the fetus development. But, there are so many other scientific things mentioned, I could list more than 2-3. Read it, and see.

There is much truth in the Qur'an. It is not my holy book (the Tanakh is-what Christians call the OT). But, I have much respect for the Qur'an.

Answer 4

I like to search all the scientific facts that have been mentioned in the Qu'ran more than 1400 years ago that has been proved by scientists only a few decades ago. It proves its devine! Try searching for some, pretty interesting stuff.

Answer 5

i know a guy who heal all sickness just with quran.
most of muslims and their leader dont know quarn well. quran need interpretations. u can find every thing in it. about past , future, predictions.
if u notice, god when talk about human, he first refer to ear. and if u see the embryo how gorw , first thing in body is ear which grow.
i have lots of questions about quran, and dont have some one to ask. because people dont have informations about it. even muslims.

Answer 6

It has a supernatural being in it = FAKE

It tells of things that had not yet come to pass = FAKE

It has no evidence to back a word of it's pages = FAKE


p.s. same applies to any other religious book!

Answer 7

actually 3 clear cut pieces of evidence come to my mind when i think about it. Obviously, showing that Quran is a fake, a mixture of different sources of from different times. Quran copies from other sources miserably, misses the point, loses the logic. Just see here:

1)Whether you are christian or muslim, you probably know the story of prophet Jonah. Yes, yes - the reluctant prophet - God sends the guy to Niniveh, to "cry against the wickedness" - a regular prophet's assignment - bringing people back to the correct path. Jonah didn't like the idea, tried to escape, and ... well ended up inside the "great fish". You know the story. Finally Jonah reaches Niniveh - does the job - the wicked folk repents and God in his mercy doesnt punish them. "But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry" (Jonah 4:1) yeah.. right.. after all this trouble, god should punish the guys, right? after all they deserved that! Jonah was kinda over-emotional guy : "Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for [it is] better for me to die than to live." (jon 4:3) God wanted to teach him the lesson of mercy:

"So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city. And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made [it] to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered. And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, [It is] better for me to die than to live.And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, [even] unto death.Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and [also] much cattle?" (Jon 4:5-11)

The whole book is a masterpiece of biblical prose. The Jonah preaches to the people of Niniveh the message of justice, but God preaches Jonah the message of love and mercy. The gourd tree is a symbol, a central element in this literary construction.

Now.. the Quran tells this story as well. Let us have a look(Quran 37.139-148; Yusuf Ali translation):

"So also was Jonah among those sent (by Us). When he ran away (like a slave from captivity) to the ship (fully) laden, He (agreed to) cast lots, and he was condemned: Then the big Fish did swallow him, and he had done acts worthy of blame. Had it not been that he (repented and) glorified Allah, He would certainly have remained inside the Fish till the Day of Resurrection. But We cast him forth on the naked shore in a state of sickness, And We caused to grow, over him, a spreading plant of the gourd kind. And We sent him (on a mission) to a hundred thousand (men) or more. And they believed; so We permitted them to enjoy (their life) for a while. "

Now - what is the gourd tree doing here? Exactly nothing. It's pointless. It's placed before the preaching, it carries no symbolic value, it seems that the author of Quran knew the story, but... did not understand it very well. Is it possible this stupid, pointless, mistaken account is God's word? Here the Quran clearly misses the logic of the biblical story.

2) We all also know the story of Cain and Abel. In the Quran is goes as follows:
"The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother: he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. "Woe is me!" said he; "Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?" then he became full of regrets- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land." (5.30-32)

Its a famous fragment quoted often by muslims, to show how islam values human life. Lets have a closer look here. The quran says that God "ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person it would be as if he slew the whole people", so we would expect to find such line in the Bible. But it isn't there. We can find it in commentary to Genesis, found in jewish Mishna Sanhedrin (not in Torah, in rabbinical writings):

"So do we find in the case of Cain, who slew his brother. It reads [Gen. iv. 10]: "The voice of the 'bloods' of thy brother are crying unto me from the ground." It does not read "blood," but "bloods," which means his blood and the blood of his descendants. [According to others it reads "bloods" in the plural, because his blood was scattered all over the trees and stones.] Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world." (Mishna Sanhedrin 4.5)

It's mishna - part of Talmud. It's main point is to explain why the bible uses plural form "bloods". This is the centre of the reasoning. Cain slew his brother - the torah says "bloods" - the reason for bloods is that it killed also all Abel's offspring. That's clear reasoning - correct or incorrect, but there is logic used here. And the Quran omits it. It just says Cain slew Abel - and then a nice phrase that killing one person is like killing whole people etc. You want to talk about bias? To any unbiased person it is clear that Quran quotes mishna but misses the point and logic of it. What else is here to know?

3) Muslims among many "scientific miracles" of the Quran, show the story of embryonic development in the Quran:

"Thereafter We made him (the offspring of Adam) as a Nutfah in a safe lodging. Then We made the Nutfah into a clot, then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!" (23;13-14)

Yay, how miraculous! It's not quite correct (flesh - or muscles, as muslims prefer to have it) DO NOT come after the bones. But we can forgive "God" that little mistake. Especially that it quotes renowned greek scholar and doctor - Galen, from his work De Semine, written about 500 years before Muhammad:

"But let us take the account back again to the first conformation of the animal, and in order to make our account orderly and clear, let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which. as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails (nutfah stage). At this time, Hippocrates too, the all-marvelous, does not yet call the conformation of the animal a foetus; as we heard just now in the case of semen voided in the sixth day, he still calls it semen. But when it has been filled with blood (alaqa stage), and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. Accordingly you would find that Hippocrates too no longer calls such a form semen but, as was said, foetus. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts (mudghah). You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvelous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed ...

... The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow."

CONCLUSION:

I gave 3 examples. 2 of them show how Quran is clearly sourced (in the sense of plagiarism) in the Book of Jonah and Mishna, but in both cases it loses logic of the stories, renders some elements pointless. In the third case quranic story is sourced in ancient medical writing, and repeats its mistake (Galen also thought muscles come after the bones). I enlist the sources. Quran is not from God, it's fake

PS: reply to darth_maul_8065

The point is that muslims believe that it was not Muhammad who had written the Quran by himself. They believe these are words dictated by God himself. My point is that Quran is composed of different sources, often clumsily and missing logic. God wouldn't do that. Muhammad or later editors of the Quran didn't have to be literary scholars to get the stories from other sources. The area was full of christians and jews, also close to mediterranean region and full of trade routes that enabled flow of information. Even if the "bone thing" is a matter of interpretation, there is still striking similarity of embryonic stages to Galen's account. If you ignore that, you set yourself in denial.