Why aren't there public health ads warning men of women that lie about the pill, if the man is still liable?

Question

If, a woman can lie to a man about being on the pill, then decide to have the child anyway AND he is STILL liable for child support:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187227,00.html

And this practice is commonplace:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1998/09/cov_23feature.html

e.g.

"A few years ago, Bill, a relative in his early 30s, told me that the woman he lived with, Lucy, had made a post-coital announcement: She wasn't using her cap anymore. She was playfully vague about revealing when she had stopped."

"A woman I know was told by her mother that "men are never ready for babies," and that consulting the prospective father of her child was therefore pointless."

[ Again, if the sexes were reversed, wouldn't the woman consider the man too predatory to be a fit father? So is she a fit mother? ]

Shouldn't men be warned that a woman's word about contraception is irrelevant to a court so therefore it should be ignored and that he should wear a condom regardless of what she says?

I fail to see how the lack of right to a say in an abortion but the responsibility to pay child support for the man and the right to an abortion regardless of what the man says and the right to child support regardless of the choices up to that point (which basically means NO RESPONSIBILITIES) for the woman is in any way equal reproductive rights.

And Wenders, I don't know why you bother, your anecdotage is about as believable as the stuff Lord Raven comes and posts. There can be no doubt he would be hit up for child support. Just to remind you, here are some lies I can think of off-hand that you have been caught in, in the last two weeks:

"No fault divorce is not unilateral": LIE.
"If children are involved no fault divorce is not unilateral": LIE
"In contested divorces the rate of child custody is even between men and women": LIE
"In contested child custody cases the rate is even": LIE
"A man can take a woman who lies about fertility to court and has a case": LIE
"The language in VAWA is gender neutral": LIE
"Women earn 75c to a mans dollar": LIE

This would be in addition to claiming no discrimination in law, just because in more instances the wording is neutral and the claim that a woman getting an award for spousal murder is equality because war heroes get medals.

So your anecdotal evidence has around zero credibility. :~(

Answer 1

Boys should be told the truth about life well before puberty and it should be as continuous.
They need to be informed that:
1) if they decide to have sex, they have no choices after that point whatsoever.
2) they cannot choose to be a parent nor refrain from it if pregnancy occurs. A woman can abort without even informing the father or she can decide after the fact to give birth to any pregnancy, again without permission of the father. This is true in and out of marriage.
3) their choices of male contraception are condoms (85% effective) or sterilization.
4) they may be named as "father" for children he did not help create. (paternity fraud).
5) they will almost certainly not be allowed to be a full and equal parent, married or not; either way, he will be expected to pay.

Answer 2

Some people cannot be trusted (this applies to both men and women). If a man is dead set against having a child, he should take his own precautions instead of relying on the woman doing it.

The pill is not 100 percent effective anyway. Plus there are many things that affect it - like antibiotics, vomitting, diarrhea, forgetting. Even barring those women that are sneaky enough to lie about taking the pill, men should know that regardless of whether a women is on the pill or not there is still a chance for pregnancy. Men who are really concerned about pregnancy should protect themselves, and not rely on someone else to protect them. This is called responsibility.

By the way, I am not saying that it is ok for women to lie about this. I think a women who would do that is disgusting and that you are right in that they are not fit to be mothers. I do agree that there should be more education directed to men - but about the pitfalls of allowing other people to decide their fate for them - which is what they are doing every time they have sex without a condom.

Answer 3

If I were a man these days I know that I would be taking care of contraception myself if I was having sex and didn't want a child. I would never rely on or trust my partner to do it for me.

People should be taught to take responsibility for their own sexual health and their own desire to have children or not. If a man is told by a woman she is on the pill it is not enough of a way to be sure he is doing all he can to avoid an unwanted prenancy. If a man says he has had a vasectomy or is infertile, it is still the responsibiliy of the woman to ensure that she will not become pregnant if it is not what she wants.

There is no harm in taking precautions to protect yourself no matter what the other person is telling you. You really can't be 'too safe' in this situation.

Yes, education is imperative for men. If they don't want saddled with a child and all that entails, they have to be taught that they are ultimately responsible for contraception. Trusting what the woman is telling them is not precaution enough.

Karma.
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Answer 4

Women lie, men lie the fact is anybody has the capacity to lie. what about men who have sex with a woman knowing she can get pregnant and then lie about the paternity and deny it knowing full well it either is or could well be their child. We all know how babies are made, so it is the responsibility of both parties to ensure contraceptives are used properly, especially if not in a stable and loving relationship. Contraceptives dont always work and each body is different. I agree a man should wear a condon regardless of what a woman says, but it's not always the womans fault.

Answer 5

Well, Happy, isn't that what you're doing? Thanks for the public service! And yes, you are correct. Men, women are not to be trusted (according to "Happy"-and certainly, there are some who can't be), so the best thing for you to do is...WEAR A CONDOM!!!!!! If you don't want/aren't ready for children, don't put birth control (and your own reproductive rights) in the hands of someone else. Some men constantly complain about their lack of "reproductive rights" but you have the right to protect yourself from undesired eventualities, and have children when you are ready (provided you can find someone who is also ready...and willing) No more or less than women. Each person is responsible for their own reproduction, making someone else responsible for your own is negligent, and you will be responsible for that negligence.
I know a guy (my brother-in-law, actually) who, when he was in high school, used to tell the girls he had sex with that he had a "condition" that rendered him "sterile" (this was of course, untrue, as he has three kids...and God knows how many more). Those foolish girls that had sex with him, believing his lies, would surely be "responsible" for any pregnancy that resulted (as it is, for women, biologically impossible not to), and, because they left it the hands of someone else, they were negligent, and therefore culpable. (As if it were escapable for them.) So guys, wear a condom, OR, do what my BIL did and tell women you are sterile, that way, she can't pin it on you later, and you can have all the unprotected sex you want, and leave her holding the check (provided she was negligent as well).

Answer 6

Maybe that's why guys shouldn't run around having sex with just anybody. If they only had sex with women they loved and trusted, then they really wouldn't have to worry about. Therefore, they still should be held responsible for getting a girl pregnant. It takes two people to make a child, and the child will still be yours whether you like it or not. The logical reason for sex is to procreate so if you don't want to procreate then use a condom.

(Either that or don't sleep with crazy women. The women you described is hardly the norm, and I'm sure that there was at least some indication of this craziness prior to him sleeping with her.)

Answer 7

Q: "Why aren't there public health ads warning men of women that lie about the pill, if the man is still liable".
A: Because the man has numerous options. He can:

1). Keep his pecker in his pants

2). Wear a condom

3). Have a vasectomy. A quick "snip-snip" and it's over. They're reversible. It's done right at the doctor's office: like LANCING a particulary annoying BOIL.

Answer 8

If YOU don't want kids then YOU take responsibility for the birth control. Men can wear condoms, get vasectomies, or just abstain. Pregnancy is the failure of BOTH people to practice birth control; not just the woman.

Answer 9

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Answer 10

Here's a solution:

Don't have sex unless you're ready to be a father. Even with the pill, pregnancy can sometimes result.