Question for non believers.?

Question

I would like to know what you think is going to happen to you when you die IF you are wrong and there IS a God. I don't want to hear why you don't believe in God, I just want to know what YOU think will happen on that day IF you are wrong.

Answer 1

I wouldn't want to be in their (unbelievers) shoes when they die tonight. 150,000 people die a day and since Jesus said wide is the path to hell, I'd say it's safe to assume 125,000(maybe more) of those souls go to hell everyday.


The most powerful part of Pascal's argument is not his refutation of atheism as a foolish wager (that comes last) but his refutation of agnosticism as impossible. Agnosticism, not-knowing, maintaining a sceptical, uncommitted attitude, seems to be the most reasonable option. The agnostic says, "The right thing is not to wager at all." Pascal replies, "But you must wager. There is no choice. You are already committed [embarked]." We are not outside observers of life, but participants. We are like ships that need to get home, sailing past a port that has signs on it proclaiming that it is our true home and our true happiness. The ships are our own lives and the signs on the port say "God". The agnostic says he will neither put in at that port (believe) nor turn away from it (disbelieve) but stay anchored a reasonable distance away until the weather clears and he can see better whether this is the true port or a fake (for there are a lot of fakes around). Why is this attitude unreasonable, even impossible? Because we are moving. The ship of life is moving along the waters of time, and there comes a point of no return, when our fuel runs out, when it is too late. The Wager works because of the fact of death.

Suppose Romeo proposes to Juliet and Juliet says, "Give me some time to make up my mind." Suppose Romeo keeps coming back day after day, and Juliet keeps saying the same thing day after day: "Perhaps tomorrow." In the words of a small, female, red-haired American philosopher, "Tomorrow is always a day away. And there comes a time when there are no more tomorrows. Then "maybe" becomes "no". Romeo will die. Corpses do not marry. Christianity is God's marriage proposal to the soul. Saying "maybe" and "perhaps tomorrow" cannot continue indefinitely because life does not continue indefinitely. The weather will never clear enough for the agnostic navigator to be sure whether the port is true home or false just by looking at it through binoculars from a distance. He has to take a chance, on this port or some other, or he will never get home.

Once it is decided that we must wager; once it is decided that there are only two options, theism and atheism, not three, theism, atheism, and agnosticism; then the rest of the argument is simple. Atheism is a terrible bet. It gives you no chance of winning the red prize. Pascal states the argument this way:

You have two things to lose: the true and the good; and two things to stake: your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness; and your nature has two things to avoid: error and wretchedness. Since you must necessarily choose, your reason is no more affronted by choosing one rather than the other. That is one point cleared up. But your happiness? Let us weigh up the gain and the loss involved in calling heads that God exists. Let us assess the two cases: if you win, you win everything: if you lose, you lose nothing. Do not hesitate then: wager that he does exist.

If God does not exist, it does not matter how you wager, for there is nothing to win after death and nothing to lose after death. But if God does exist, your only chance of winning eternal happiness is to believe, and your only chance of losing it is to refuse to believe. As Pascal says, "I should be much more afraid of being mistaken and then finding out that Christianity is true than of being mistaken in believing it to be true." If you believe too much, you neither win nor lose eternal happiness. But if you believe too little, you risk losing everything.

Answer 2

I'm an agnostic so I'm open to the existence of a 'god'
But for some reason, I'm so sure and positive, that if there is a god, it would not be like the way everyone describes it to be, I don't think I would be put in front of a white man with a beard and be judged, I would think it's more like the Hindu philosophy where you join the source of light (god in hinduism is a source of light) I think god is not characteristic of humans at all, and that it's an abstract entity from which time, light and existence come, matter is neither created nor destroyed, so it makes sense for you to be a part of the cycles of the universe

sorry if I went into what I kinda believe, for the most part (90%) I don't believe in god, but if I was wrong, I would imagine it to be like that, and as for now, I live a moral and genuine life not because of a back up plan, but because of me, that's what I feel like doing and that's what I will do, in the end, I don't think people's righteousness matters, if it weren't for religion, many people in the world would not have self control and would lack values, it's the truth

Answer 3

Pascal's wager:

"If god exists, it's infinitely better to believe, since you get heaven instead of hell for eternity. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter since you're dead anyway. So overall it's better to believe"

This is, of course, false.

Some of the problems with the argument:

* The implied assumption that god may exist (with a 50% probability, no less!)

* The assumption that there is an afterlife with a heaven and hell

* The assumption that the god cares about belief in him/her above all else

* The assumption that if you believe in a god, it will definitely be the same god that actually exists.

* The assumption that you lose nothing if it's false. You have lost a great deal, from time praying to a nonexistent entity (somebody mentioned just today praying several hours a day!!!) to morality (your god may ask you to hurt other people) and much more besides.

* The assumption that people can believe in something simply because it benefits them. Would you believe goblins exist for twenty bucks? Why not?

* The assumption that any god won't see through the "believing just to get into heaven" ploy.

For more:
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/wager.html
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/wager.html

Answer 4

you would possibly want to imagine that's abnormal for non believers now to not believe in god, however that's basically when you consider that in case you've been taught from an early age about god. in case you somewhat imagine about it, If someone the position to come back as a lot as you for the first time and inform you about the bible once you the position 18, there is not any way you've self belief. This and the shortcoming of information.

Answer 5

Who knows? If there is a god, we know nothing about that god, or about what that god will do when people die. You're in exactly the same boat as we are in that respect: how do you know that god won't damn (insert your religion here) to eternal hell? You don't.

The constant citing of Pascal's Wager by believers is a perfect illustration of the fact that atheists know more about religion than do the believers. There seems to be a constant stream of believers who mistakenly think that this is a good argument for (insert their religion here). It isn't. That's a fact, and it's a fact that one would know as soon as one put any thought whatsoever into it.

Conclusion: there's a constant stream of believers who haven't put any thought whatsoever into their beliefs.

And surely you've noticed that the atheists who respond to these Pascal's Wager questions DO know what's wrong with it.

Conclusion: Atheists know more about religion than do believers.

Sorry that you had to be the one whose mistaken post illustrated this fact. Take comfort in the fact that because you asked, you now know better.

Answer 6

Which god? There's so many! The god of the bible? If so, I'd ask him why he is so evil that he'd send people to burn just for not agreeing with in him. What's up with that big guy? I'd rather go to hell then spend all eternity with a god like that.


I do not believe your god exists, so its a moot point.

Answer 7

One should envision one's Gods as being at least as good as the best human beings. The best of us would not damn people for eternity for an honest difference of opinion or because they liked to drink beer and get laid. The best of us would not set up eternal torment at all. Your God is less worthy than the best of his admittedly very imperfect human creations. I refuse to worship him on moral grounds. If you ever managed to convince me that Yahweh is running things, I would run, not walk, to the nearest Satanist group and sign on the dotted line in my blood in a New York minute. I hope that I don't live in a universe where the moral high ground is Satanism, but if that should prove be the case, I know where my loyalties would lie.

I would proudly go to hell rather then bow down and worship such sadistic deity as the God in the bible. He is not worthy of my worship. Is that answer honest enough for you?

Answer 8

First of all, I wouldn't be wrong.

I say that I do not believe that God exists. That is a belief. A belief can't be right or wrong.

IF there is a God, then I would believe that God exists. I have no idea what would happen on that day, but I can tell you this. Whatever it turned out to be, it would be better than living my life as a believer would have been.

Answer 9

God and heaven and hell are all your thing. Party forth!
I don't believe in any god that teaches people to hate or judge or kill or rape or be pedophiles.I don't believe in a god that wont put a stop to it either.
If I were to put my kids on their own Island and they pulled the stuff that people pull. I would remove them and punish them without hesitation. I would not allow People to suffer!!!
You party on and believe in the god you want to believe in. You live in the cruelty and evil of his "Glorious" name.
Just leave me out of it.
God wont return. If he does exist, he don't care. If he does come back and gather his people. I'll wave bye bye.
I'm not delusional. God is not there.

Answer 10

My favorite approach is Swedenborgian where when you die, if more people thought badly of you, you are in hell. If more people thought well of you then you are in heaven. So heaven and hell are on earth. Your soul or spirit stay here and yo have to put up with people thinking well or bad about you through eternity.

Answer 11

Pascal's wager is so boring.

What will you do when you die and see Odin and realise you were praying to the wrong god, or substitute Shiva or Anubis.

I wish that was all that was wrong with this tired question but its not.