Evolution or abiogenesis, isn't there a connection??

Question

There to be a Big Bang there as to be atoms (life is made of atoms right, where do the atoms come from????

Evolution says that life evolved with no reason, so big bang was an explosion of something, and then the planets came to be, the stars came to be, etc. If you leave a seed on the ground the tree will grow, but you have to plant a seed, is there any plant that came or tree that doesn't have a seed to create a root?

The mathematical probability of a SINGLE CELL (atoms) coming about by chance is 1/10340,000,000, the fraction 1 divided by 1 followed by 340 million zeros! (Imagine the rest of the Universe).
Now if life changed in accordance to nature, then why did nature change? What is the cycle?
When you have a problem to solve... DON'T YOU GO TO THE BEGGINING? Man kind evolved??? Is there a proof? Some men are taller than others, some have big eyes, some have a lot of hair, does that mean that we all evolved into different creatures?
Can some one explain in a serious way?

Answer 1

Odd. Your question makes sense, but your additional details seem to be disjointed and random.

To answer the question, there is no direct connection between abiogenesis and evolution. Evolution is about the process where one species gradually becomes different from it's ancestors or how some species sometimes become extinct because they cannot adapt to changes in climate or environment.

Abiogenesis is an event during which an organic chemical process has occurred to produce a life form. Such a life form would be pretty near to a chemical process itself, but it would have to have a few properties we recognize as common to all life. It must be able to reproduce itself. It must also involve a process in which energy from an energy source like chemical energy is consumed, and a process whereby waste products are generated and eliminated from the system. Some also require that life be cellular and able to divide the cellular structure but if we are describing a pre-biotic life-form this is a bit like putting the cart before the mimivirus.

Evolution could conceivably have occurred even if the first lifeforms were imported to earth by some means. Whether or not the origin of life is abiogenesis or the act of a higher order intelligence makes no difference to the process of evolution. Evolution continues today - consider the case of antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, they are quite literally evolving as we discuss this topic. Whether they were first created by a god or are the result of chemical processes in phosphate rich hot springs, is irrelevant - the fact we observe is that they are evolving.

To Address your other remarks; Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang. There are several trees that reproduce without producing a seed in the strictest sense, although they do also produce seeds or spores if conditions are favorable. Prove it to yourself cut a willow branch and place it in a clear glass jar or vase - it will eventually grow roots and the process of branches being broken off during river floods often populates a river bank with little clusters of willows.

In fact it may be precisely plants which were some of the nearest relatives to abiogenetic organisms - in particular the blue-green algae. Yeast is similar although it is a bit more primitive reproducing entirely by a kind of parthenogenic budding.

Your quotes of the mathematical probability are incorrect, they are the work of individuals like Hubert Yockey - who was limited in that he was working primarily as a librarian and was qualified neither a mathematician, a physicist, an engineer nor a biologist. As a consequence, he makes several erroneous assumptions in calculating his odds, mostly regarding the base numbers of probable number of molecules on earth, and the probable number of chemical interactions on earth over the period of a billion years, since he neglects the fact that chemicals continue to interact and are not "single use".

The probability that matter would collect together to form planets or stars is pretty good if you allow for the existence and effects of gravity as a property of matter.

If you don't believe in gravity - then I recommend you just take it on faith that humans are not able to fly like superman... Ok?

Answer 2

That's a lot of questions... Causality begins at the big bang, not before, so No, there does not need to be atoms in order for a big bang to occur. Atoms took some time to form. In fact, time starts at the big bang, so there is nothing before. (e.g. Hawkings, Brief History)

Evolution can mean the theory (which is also fact) of common descent, or it can mean the evolutionary theory of cosmology, which often causes confusion. Explosion is not a perfectly accurate term because of the unique nature of the big bang. (there was no space to explode into)

This math probability thing of cells coming into existence is very pseudoscientific. Research the anthropic principle and remember that we are not talking about chance organization of matter... we are talking about real systems. Systems evolve. I can't quickly set you straight on this matter; you just need to start reading and not stop until you are an evolutionist. Here, drill around this website to your heart's content; from what I've seen so far I acknowledge it's authority on these matters:
http://www.talkorigins.org

Answer 3

Origin of life theories are a dime a dozen.

There is the way it happened, and there is the way we think it happened.

So far, we have nothing that even comes close to an adequate explanation, and so I really don't look into every new concept that comes along.

As a Christian, I have no problem with God creating the entire universe with a single spoken command.

That's why we call him "God". He's a pretty big dude. He can do stuff like that.

Answer 4

No theory of abiogenesis claims a cell came from nothing. That is a straw man argument.

Nonetheless, your probability claims are specious and have no merit.

Even events with infinitesimal probabilities become probable given enough chances either through breadth of opportunity or time.

For example, say you have a box with 100 red balls, a yellow ball, and a green ball. After shaking, it's unlikely that the yellow and the green ball should be touching.

Now say that you have a hundred boxes. Your chances are better, right? Now take 100 billion boxes, shake and check each one every 10 seconds for a billion years. I daresay, it becomes a regular occurrence.

When you go touting old and trite arguments, don't be surprised when they get shown for what they are. Worthless.

Answer 5

I used this answer on a question yesterday... This is my theory...


"Evolution and Creation are the same. Creation is evolution, everything that God has made were made in a very slow dynamic creation. Think about the cronology of both theories. Everything are the same in terms of cronology. The Bible simplified the story of creation for the purpose of making people of ancient times understand these complex theory of evolution and for the sake of a more poetic book. Creation was not a product of a "There shall be Man!" and poof there was Man. Creation was and is a dynamic power of changing the world. The world is creation and the world was and still is in the process of creation. Creation, however, has been slowing its pace because of the fact that in the 7th Day God rested. Creation is no longer creating and changing the world dramatically. It is now in a pace slow enough just to keep the world maintained. These are my opinion and I do not expect people to take this theory seriously."


Ahhh.... I also think your quite confused... I think you have no idea at all what your talking about. Are you drunk or something?

Answer 6

Instead of regurgitating religious garbage your cult tells you to, go read books other than the babble. If you knew anything about abiogenesis and evolution - or grade eight biology and chemistry, for that matter - you wouldn't have said what you did.


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Answer 7

Friend, Our soul is made into the imag of god, I don't believe in evolution, I believe in creation, I will not deny the big bang, But what caused the big bang, God did. Your evolutionists, tries to leave God out of it all, The more they try the deeper the hole they dig.

Answer 8

What does 'in a serious way' have to do with your question?

Try the 'search' bar. This has been asked thousands of times before.

Answer 9

Evolution doesn't speculate as to the origins of all life. And no, evolution doesn't "say" that it's all blind chance.

You seem to be confused, kiddo.

Answer 10

nope. Read the answers to the last few thousand times this has been asked.