Any person who has truly accepted Christ as His Savior will go to heaven and a person can never lose his salvation.
Remember the two criminals who were crucified at the same time as Jesus and one hurled insults at Jesus while the other one asked Jesus to remember Him. Jesus told him that because of his belief he would be in paradise that night. The gay man is living in sin just as a man who may be cheating on his wife is living in sin.
Only God can tell by the heart which man will go to heaven and which man He'll claim to not know. You cannot be ashamed of the Gospel and then expect God to not be ashamed of you.
When we accept Christ as our Savior, that very second, the Holy Spirit enters our heart. As said, only God knows for sure if the heart has truly surrendered to Christ, and there are times He knows better than us as we are known to have denial and not know our own hearts as may think we do.
It is the Holy Spirit that convicts us of sin and we can choose to listen to it or we can ignore it. The more we ignore it, the quieter the voice becomes until we no longer hear it, however, once a person is saved, truly saved, they can never stifle the voice completely. There will always be a sense of guilt. The guilt is not from any form of brainwashing or "religious rantings & ravings" it is just that, the Holy Spirit telling us we ither did wrong or we are doing wrong.
Whatever is in the Bible is God's correct and current holy word. Out of every relgion there is, the Christian God, the one and true God, has never changed. The Mormons have had very important significant changes, the Catholics have had many, Jehova's Witnesses many, many changes, and the list goes on, but as for God, there has never been one change.
God is the same today as He was yesterday, and He will be the same tomorrow. We can be assured that what His word says will remain the same and only a false prophet will try to change anything that is written in the Bible or to try and add something to the Bible, such as well, its now 2007 and the politically correct way is to accept homosexuality and abortions. That will never happen, unless as I said, its a false prophet.
When I accepted Christ at the age of 15, some might say it could not have been a true accpetance because I went on to become a drug addict, an alcoholic, had abortions, and lived a very promiscuous lifestyle. I was involved in everything you can imagine.
I sobered up in 1984 after going thru long term treatment and four years later, I was on my knees surrendering my life to Christ and saying even sober, Lord, I cannot do this without you (this was just living). I never worried about the fact as to when was I truly saved, at the age of 15 or 34? All that mattered to me was that I was saved, I was a born-again Christain.
Yet, it took another 7 months before I finally developed a hunger to know more about God and just really who was Jesus? I knew He was God's Son and that was all I knew. I had never had a relationship with Him, but now all of a sudden I had this humongous desire to know everything I could about Him and to live my life accordingly.
Without me being completely aware of it (I knew some), my life had already begun to change. I was changing, my attitude, my way of thinking, my behavior, my manner of dressing was becoming more conservative, nor was I telling or listening to dirty jokes anymore.
But most of all was this incurable hunger to learn more. When I got out of church on Sunday morning, I couldn't wait for Sunday night, when I got out on Sunday night, I couldn't wait for Wednesday night and in between all those times, I listened to the Christian radio station, read my Bible, prayed, and socialized with other Christians (Christian fellowship), which I've learned the hard way that Christian fellowship is essential to a Christian because God helps us through His people. Trust me, without going into that story, I am right now and have been suffering the consequences of having walked away from my church family. It ended up costing me $60,000 among other things.
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make, I believe I was saved when I was 15 at a church camp, but since I was living in a foster home, I had no opportunities to go to church on a regular basis. Therefore, I never grew as a Christain and I had no mentor to help and guide me, so I stayed a baby Christain and had I died then or when I was older, an alcoholic & drug addict, and maybe even in a stranger's bed, I would have still gone to heaven.
From the time I was I was 15 until I was 34, I never read the Bible, never went to church, never prayed, unless I was hurting and needed somthing, and without all thesse things, it is impossible to have any kind of a relationship with God or Jesus. Likewise, in your own home, if you never talk to your parents or your spouse, if you go thru each day ignoring them, you are going to have a lousy relationship. Same thing with Jesus. If you don't talk to Him and try to learn anything about Him, the relationship will suffer and not grow.
However, as I said, I do not believe God would hold me accountable for staying a baby at that time, even though His words says we will be held accountable for not learning and maturing in His word. At that age I was still under so much control of others, authorities, foster parents, etc, that I could not help it if I didn't grow, nor did I even understand that there was anything I needed to grow in. I had accepted Christ, how could there be more than that?
Homosexuality is wrong. We know its wrong because God says so. Stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, adultery is wrong, murder is wrong, yet people can do these acts and still go to heaven. If they did it before they ever accepted Christ, then upon asking Jesus into their heart, they become a totally new person.
2 Corinthians 5:17 (King James Version)
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:15-21
15. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
20 We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Verse 16 identifies how we once looked at spiritual things. We are like on the outside looking in trhough a window. We see that things are different in there but we don't understand it until we walk inside. Once we are inside, we see things differently than we did when we were on the outside looking in. We didn't look for that to happen, much of it just happened the very second we walked in and the rest comes thru prayer, Bible study and Christain fellowship.
Now we look out thru the window from the inside and we see the people looking in and we see them differently also, not like how we once did when we were out there. Most of all we see Jesus differently.
Verse 17 is the biggie. Once we accept Christ, it doesn't matter who you are, once you accept Him and surrender your life to Him, we will become a new person, the old has gone and the new comes in. Meaning the things we did in the past that are not pleasing to God, are over and done with, and no longer do we need to feel guilt or shame because we are a new person.
None of us are perfect and many times we will fall. For example, if I had a shoplifting problem before Christ, and I know its wrong, I'm going to feel guilty, maybe just a little, maybe a bit more, or maybe a whole lot. It all depends upon how hard my heart has become.
But once I accept Christ and as I'm going thru the act of accepting Him, there is true remorse over what I've done, and I see it as a sin. That is why many people will sob and sob when they accept Christ. It means the old is leaving them and the new is coming. They feel remorese for their sins and they repent. Without repentance there can be no forgiveness and that is the key to salvation, being forgiven for our sins.
We cannot become a Christain and deny that some of our behaviors are sinful or pick and choose what commands we want to keep. That is not a heart that is accepting Christ, it is still a rebellious heart.
Going back to my shoplifting problem, when I accepted Christ, I asked for God to forgive me and I truly meant it, my heart filled with grief and remorse. And then a couple of weeks later, or six months later, or two years later, I start shoplifting again. The first time, I feel all this guilt as the Holy Spirit makes the attempt to make me feel guilty so I may go before the Lord and repent, but I don't want to because I know I'm going to do it again and I do. Once again the Holy Spirit will try to put me back on track for tru repentance but I ignore the calling and in order to do this, I have to harden my heart. If I die during this time, I will go to heaven, my rewards will be less, but at least I'll be in heaven.
My mother has the sttitude that she can do whatever she wants as her sins have all been forgotten so it doesn't matter what she does. This is not true, because again, there has to be a true repentance.
With repentance and remorse, I forget which one, maybe both, the Greek word or Hebrew word means to turn away. If you say, tomorrow I'm going to steal this shirt that is not repentance but rather wilful deliberate sinning.
This has gotten way too long and I'm so sleepy, I can't even keep my eyes open.
. The bottom line is that God knows the heart. Basically, with an adult, and as far as homosexuality is concerned, we know the Bible speaks out against it, thus, I cannot imagine a person getting saved and still continuing with no bad feelings at all, or even worse just saying, well that doesn't matter.
Even if they don't understand right away, very soon after being saved, they will be put under conviction that what they are doing is wrong. It cannot be hung onto and say this small part doesn't count. It counts very much.
Once a gay man accepts Christ, he has to turn away from a sinful life and if he refuses, there is a ppretty good chance that it was not a true acceptance of Christ because when we accept, we are humble and filled with remorese over all we've done. It can get started back up again, but if the man was truly saved, he will always feel guilty until he lets go of that sin.
A Jew will go to heaven as long as he has accepted Christ. That is the only way anyone can go to heaven is thru the acceptance of Christ. Put into a search engine, the Roman steps and follow one of the links to pull them up and then read those.
There is an organization called Jews for Christ, and these are Jews that have all accepted Christ and are trying to win other Jews to Christ. But even though the Jews are God's special people, they still have to accept Christ just like anyone else to go to heaven.
I'm glad my answer will be last so people don't get mad trying to scan to the bottom of my answer if they are trying to read answers. If I was not so sleepy I would try to edit it down and maybe I will tomorrow after submitting it and when I can see. Please excuse the typos..
2007-01-12 22:31:38
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