Atheists, can you please answer these questions..?

Question

A common arguement that I hear is that atheists don't believe in God because there isn't any proof of God's existence scientifically. Well,

1. You cannot prove the number -1, since it is a theoretical number, yet the field of quantum physics would be non-existent without it. Why do you accept this theoretical number for your calculations? If you cannot prove a negative, and yet you accept it, why not accept the theory of God? (Writing a math problem like 2-3= -1 is not proving that the number exists.)

2. Gravity is only observable in its effects, yet no one is arguing that there is a law of gravity. Why do you accept these effects as a law, but do not accept the effects of God as a law? If there is a law of gravity, there has to be a law-giver. How is the law explained?

3. Scientists admit that the laws of statistical probability leave the chances of life evolving itself about the same as an unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop.

Answer 1

I'd be willing to accept an unscientific proof of God, as long as it was compelling. Since you are eager to learn the answers to your questions, I'll do what I can.

1. All numbers are theoretical, but they are consistent. There are laws in place, and numbers follow the laws. They follow the laws so consistently that we wager entire lives on those numbers. When a disaster happens (such as the Challenger), it's not because a number failed to act as it should; it's because a human made a mistake with the numbers. You can't prove a number, because it is only a concept. But it is a closed concept, meaning that it acts exactly as intended.

2. Gravity is indeed observable. It is measurable. It is repeatable. This is why gravity is an accepted theory. God is not an accepted theory. God has never been observed, measured, or repeated. You cannot explain God scientifically. You can explain gravity scientifically.

3. You were doing so well until you decided to bamboozle us with this nonsense. What credible scientists have admitted this? I'm afraid you've been swindled by someone claiming to know what he's talking about. No serious scientist would consider a dictionary forming from an explosion. Leave your straw men at home, please.


There are many things that are observable. God is not one of them.

Even if you accept that the law of gravity has to be created by someone, this raises other questions. Mainly, who is the creator? Is it the Christian god? The Muslim god? One of the Hindu gods? Perhaps the deist god?

Some atheists (the agnostic atheists) won't argue that it's possible to have a creator, but they will argue that the creator is known. If it's God, then why doesn't God want us to worship him? And if God doesn't want us to worship him, then what does it matter in our lives?

Answer 2

As an atheist, I'll be happy to try to answer your questions:

1. I do not worship the number -1. As far as not being able to prove that a negative number exists, well I wish you would convince my credit card companies of this. If I owe people more money than I have, then my net worth is less than zero. Unfortunately for me, it is also less than -1.

2. I do not worship gravity either. However, since I am a complete klutz, I know all too well that if I trip, I will fall, and not float. If I drop a pencil it will fall. I agree with the scientists and call that gravity. You can call it God if you like. Whatever name we give this force, I see proof every day that it exists.

3. I don't know if this statement is true, but I'll take your word for it. Evolution may be improbable, but no more so than a man walking on water, coming back to life after dying. etc... And there is more scientific proof pointing towards the former than the latter.


However, if you COULD show me concrete proof of God's existence, it wouldn't be a matter of belief any more. I may be an atheist, but I think an important part of religion is FAITH. If you showed me evidence of God's existence I would believe you. But it wouldn't be because of faith, it would be because of proof.

So perhaps you are better off not trying to prove anything. Just a thought.

Respectfully,
jenjen

Answer 3

1. -1 is easy to illustrate in real life. Draw a line and label it 0, then draw a line and label it 1, then draw a line that is the same distance away from 0 as 1 is and label it -1. Simple. There's also things like deceleration and debt which are best described with negative numbers.

2. Ok, gravity is only observable by its effects, that gives it one more point than god has in his favor. Anyways general relativity gives the most widely accepted theory behind gravity.

3. Sorry but Christian scientists aren't really scientists. Without a source for that claim I'm afraid you haven't a leg to stand on. Besides, evolution isn't just randomness there's an obvious order behind it.

The moral of the story: Pay attention in science class, it'll help you.

Answer 4

I don't think that 3 has been adequately addressed yet, so I'll take a stab at it. The thing that this argument neglects is the key to modern evolution, natural selection. It's a cumulative process that gradually builds things up through more and more viable intermediates. The process takes time and is more than just random chance. To adapt your analogy to this, I'll use a tornado instead of an explosion since explosions are generally interpreted as a single event rather than an ongoing process. Also, to account for the fact that the intermediate stages are more viable than the starting material, you'd have to say that when words do end up in the right order, they stick that way. While the one-time event is ridiculously improbable, it is conceivable that, with enough time, a complete dictionary could be assembled by this cumulative technique.

Answer 5

1: you CAN prove the number -1 through an equation like 2-3=-1. that proves it, show me how it doesnt. if you take 3 away from 2 you cant get zero because theres still some stuff left so you have to take away from zero, resulting in a negative number. negatives are also used for calculating profits and costs of a company. if a company made -(some number) that means they lost money. theres your negative in real life.

2: no one is arguing the law of gravity because you cant argue it. its there. its like magnetism, theres proof that it exists. its a fundamental traight that all objects have.

3: for life to evolve from a single cell i will admit is somewhere between 0 and a very small number. but multiply this number by billions of years in a trillion of different environments with different nutrients and all of a sudden the chances of life become significantly larger.


there you go those are my thoughts

Answer 6

Wow,thats really smart,

Athiesm is just a form of stupid.
If you were to believe athiests then man is no more than an intelligent monkey.

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