Military only..,do you believe in defeat?Do you believe in not finishing a job?

Question

Why cant other people see this?Is it lack of common sense?Isnt that what the left is doing by wanting to pull out the left wants defeat.Isnt this the definition of defeat and retreat?I deeply thank you for protecting USA and helping Iraq getting it together,good job guys.

sorry about the rant,just fed up with the democrats.

AGAIN MILITARY ONLY!!!!!!!!

Answer 1

People who are in the military these days are there because they choose to be. This, essentially, is the difference in modern warfare as far as Americans are concerned. It is a job. There's decent pay and benefits, and when you add up the boost it gives when you return to civilian life, it's a reasonably good job for a lot of young, healthy people. Clearly, they want to do their job well and not feel defeated. Clearly, that's why they joined up in the first place.

I don't have to be in the military myself to trust that is most of who joins the military forces these days. A few may feel it was from having too few other options, but they mainly realize they can do well if they want to, and they do. Used to be the military bragged about growing boys into men; these days they do a decent job of growing girls into women, too.

No, they are not quitters.

Answer 2

I was in the military...so was my wife. We are both against what is going on now.

Why?

First, the basis of the war was a lie (WMD's).

Second, 4 years later and 3000 soldiers dead, countless maimed, nobody with a brain sees any progress. If you can find progress, let us know. What I mean by that is that by now, the Iraq government should be fully functional, and they can police themselves.

Third, any historian could tell you that retreating isn't necessarily a defeat. There are many strategic objectives that could be won via a "retreat".

Fourth, by just soliciting the opinion of the military, you are asking to severly skew your opinions here. Military folks (again, I was one for six years) do their duty, whatever it may be. If 10,000 soldiers are told to scrub toilets to defeat Iraq, that is what they would do, happily. Servicemen and women are loyal to their command structure.

Fifth, many republicans feel the same way as the democrats - refer to the opinion polls of 27%.

The left has nothing to do with this. It is Bush, with lies and incompetent staff (Rummy and Cheney), that have brought us to this point.

Answer 3

One does not "believe in defeat;" one is compelled to accept it when he has inadvisedly involved himself in an impossible contest.

The best answer to your question is probably a true story about Teddy Roosevelt when he was president.

The U.S. was about to cross swords with England over a South American dispute. The British ambassador was leaving the White House and Teddy walked out onto the portico with him. As they stood taking leave of one another, Roosevelt's English bulldog, well known in D.C. as the president's dog, came up accross the lawn. He was looking much the worse for wear with a torn ear and bleeding about the head and neck.

"My god, Mr. President," said the Englishman, "Your dog has been run down be a carriage."

"No, not at all," Teddy said. "He's been fighting again."

"Well," said the ambassador, hoping to score an instructive point, "he must not be much of a fighter."

"No, no, Mr. Ambassador," Teddy replied with a big smile of self-assurance, "he's a very good fighter and always ready for a scrap. He's just a poor judge of dogs."

Lord Salisbury proved to be a better judge of dogs and backed down from a conflict with the States.

Answer 4

As part of your training to be an officer they press on you that you always have to look at the objectives and the costs.

If I have to hold a position, I'm obligated to find the best way to set up my men to achieve the goal with the least loss of my resources (the men that are entrusted to my care).

To defend your family and mine, every soldier I've worked with would be willing to step up with me and hold the line. But when we're defending people who don't want us there and want nothing more than an excuse to renew centuries old blood feuds, it's hard to see what'd we win.

Add the lack of equipment to protect the men (look up Hillbilly armor) and it really starts to look like the best way to win is to back off and let Iraq settle things it's own way. If another group (Iran etc) steps in, we can even things out with superior firepower, but we cannot change the hearts and minds of a people like this. They have to want peace, and as long as we're there, they have an external source to blame for their bloodlust.

A soldier will have less problem to die for the right cause and the right (ie intelligent) leaders. Unfortunately more soldiers die for the stupidity from the top...

Answer 5

We must focus our attention, like we have been, on getting the scared and unsteady Iraqi governement to stand on their own. If we pull out prematurely then the soldiers (all soldiers from all countries involved) who have lost their lives will be in vein. We must fix the problem now so we don't have to deal with it later. Once we feel they are ready, then we need to wash our hands of them and let them fall or rise on their own. Keeping an ever watchful eye on them is all we should have to do. Defeat or compromise is not an option at this point. The job must be completed.

Answer 6

I'm a republican and anyone that follows this mad man is very misinformed. The horse is dead. Time to let the Iraq government stand up if they ever expect to govern.

Answer 7

So then no matter what you're doing or how bad it is you must keep doing it because it's "common sense".
Doesn't allow much room for mistakes. Or is it that America can't make mistakes?
Simpleton.

Answer 8

No true serviceman enjoy retreating. It's not in our genes.