is this the Ishmael Muslims claim as a patriarch?

Question

10 The Messenger of the LORD also said to her, "I will give you
many descendants. No one will be able to count them because
there will be so many." 11 Then the Messenger of the LORD said
to her, "You are pregnant, and you will give birth to a son. You
will name him Ishmael [God Hears], because the LORD has heard
your cry of distress. 12 He will be as free and wild as an
untamed donkey. He will fight with everyone, and everyone will
fight with him. He will have conflicts with all his relatives."
13 Hagar named the LORD, who had been speaking to her, "You Are
the God Who Watches Over Me."
why hagar was sent away
When Hagar
realized that she was pregnant, she began to be disrespectful to
Sarai, her owner.5 So Sarai complained to Abram, "I'm being
treated unfairly! And it's your fault!

sorry maybe not clear enough but it is when hager first became prgnant and disregarded serai he mistress. it may not be in the quran but I was pointing at the bit about ishmail being like a dionky and wonting to fight. God blessed isaac not ishmail although ishmail was to have many desendants.

Answer 1

Yes. It is. This is the same exact one. I was just having an interesting discussion about that the other day. Isaac was his brother, right? And he had the birthright, but they both were promised that they would be a nation by God, right? Well, muslims claim that Ishmael had the birthright, not Isaac.

Answer 2

I believe it is. Sarai made the suggestion in the first place, and Abram acted on it. So both tried to "help" God. But this is a good example to let God be God. He doesn't need help. This has caused problems for 1000's of years. Who knows, what we do may cause problems for years, too.

Answer 3

i read in a book about the personal story of Prophet Mohamed at the first they mentioned the story of Prophet Ibrahim and Prophet Ismael so that they show the roots of family of Prophet Mohamed....about the part you mentioned i remember that Sarah was jealous from Hagar...and Prophet Ibrahim left Hagar and Prophet Ismael when he was baby in Saudi Arabia and she asked him "did God order you that?" he replied "yes" but i don't know the reason because Sarah was jealous or not...that all i can say about the part you are asking in....

Answer 4

Yup

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Answer 5

We believe Ishmael (pbuh) to be a Prophet; and a forefather of our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
Why are you quoting your scripture, which authenticity cannot be proved, to question our belief? The Bible of today has been changed and altered so don't question us with your beliefs.
We Muslims believe in the description as given in our Qu'raan.

Answer 6

I don't think i understand the question :s
I'm am a muslim , but there is nothing in my information that goes with any thing you listed in your question!
Prophet Abrahim is the father of Ismael, but this conversation was never mentioned in the Quran -as far as i know-

Answer 7

And u show us verses from a corrupted scripture, and u want us to comment.

I cant believe someone who believe a scripture containing verses degrading God prophet( eg Adam, Noah etc.) and claim it as God own word.
U sure are stupid and arrogant.

Answer 8

Yea that is him. Even sounds like him after 4000 years.

Answer 9

Who we are:

We are ex-Muslims. Some of us were born and raised in Islam and some of us had converted to Islam at some moment in our lives. We were taught never to question the truth of Islam and to believe in Allah and his messenger with blind faith. We were told that Allah would forgive all sins but the sin of disbelief (Quran 4:48 and 4:116). But we committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief that was imposed on us and we came to realize that far from being a religion of truth, Islam is a hoax, it is hallucination of a sick mind and nothing but lies and deceits.

What we believe:

Some of us have embraced other religions but most of us have simply left Islam without believing in any other religion. We believe in humanity. We believe that humans do not need to follow a religion to be good. All we need to follow is the Golden Rule. All we have to do is to treat others they way we expect to be treated. This is the essence of all the goodness. All good religious teachings stem from this eternal principle. This is the ultimate guidance humanity need. This is the Golden Rule.

Why Mohammed was not a prophet:

One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.


Why Quran is not from God:

Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.

What is our goal?

We are apostates of Islam. We denounce Islam as a false doctrine of hate and terror. However we are not against Muslims who are our own kin and relatives. We do not advocate hate and violence. Muslims are the main victims of Islam. Our goal is to educate them and let them see the truth. We are against Islam and not the Muslims. We strive to bring the Muslims into the fold of humanity. Eradicate Islam so our people can be liberated, so they can prosper and break away from the pillory of Islam. We would like to see Islamic countries dedicate more time to science and less time to Quran and Sharia. We would like to see them prosper and contribute to human civilization. We would like to see the draconian laws of Islam eliminated and people are treated humanely. We strive for freedom of beliefs, for equality of gender and for oneness of mankind.

Mankind’s biggest challenge:

Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do.

Answer 10

Get a job.