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Judges 1:19-

The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots.

Because I believe that you should have the entire context, take a look at:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%201;&version=31;

There's the first chapter of Judges. I'm not too sure that the context really helps in this case. As I see it there are a few possibilities:

1.) The Bible is correct, and Yahweh has a really hard time against iron chariots.
2.) These events occurred, but the Bible described them incorrectly.
3.) The Biblical narrative is correct, but incomplete, leaving out a vital clue as to why Yahweh abandoned the tribe of Judah - indeed that he had abandoned them in the first place.

and of course the obligatory

4.) This is all tribal fairy tale and doesn't need to be consistent or coherent.

How do you folks see this?

2007-01-09 18:24:48 · 14 answers · asked by The Man Comes Around 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

14 answers

#4.

2007-01-09 18:31:01 · answer #1 · answered by jenn_smithson 6 · 2 1

Historical events spoken in an almost lyric form- classic to the times.
Iron chariots as a metaphor expressing their difficulty.....
Driving a chariot made of iron would be difficult - yes?
Judges that the Israelites had so much trouble because they would not obey God. They would turn away from God, become oppressed by those iron chariots, cry out for God who would have mercy. After a while they would forget again. Back to oppression. (yup, tribal wars) Moral of the story = keep your heart loyal and faithful to God.

2007-01-09 19:15:55 · answer #2 · answered by Quest 6 · 0 1

I see something you missed completely- first of all you must understand that quite often without understanding the Hebrew and the scriptures in the context of entire situations , not just that chapter, you miss the fullness of it entirely.
All throughout the history of Israel, oyu see God bring them to a place, equip them to claim what He is giving them, give them instruction only to see the Israelites back down because of what they see in the physical overpowering their faith and trust in God.
Time and time again God sees them through but time and time again (and this happens for us even today) they are overwhelmed by what looks to be more powerful then they- they begin trusting in (or rather not ) their own strength rather than God's.
God has no problems with iron chariots- but He called His people to action, a strengthening of their trust and faith- the iron chariots represent an obstacle in their own minds, like the giants in the land, like Goliath- they could very well have overcome the iron chariots and everything that came with it but they stepped out of operating in God's power and provision and began to walk in the fears of the flesh.
Read this in the context of the history of the Israelites , the history of God's people in general and their will be better understanding

2007-01-09 18:48:53 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

It would be difficult to analyse one verse out of context. Were the Judahs supposed to conquer the whole world? What was he agreed sphere of influence? If it was a few tribes and they did that then defeat by an extra tribe fought to boost their ego would not be an issue.
Anyway, it say "The LORD was with the men of Judah." so he knew what he was doing.

2007-01-09 18:38:57 · answer #4 · answered by Dantz 1 · 0 1

Jdg 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Maybe your bible described them incorrectly but Gods bible did not. The Lord was with Judah means Judah went in and handeld business in the name of God. They did not have the means to drive out the chariots.

2007-01-09 18:31:38 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

Pal, you should read from Joshua. . .and see how disobedient the people are, in not following the instruction.

If they only have. . .so that results in that chapter.

What the israelite did? They use them as slave, and left them alone, instead of killing them.

So, how I see it? God is kind. . . even when we sin, he gave us chance. When we failed, it is always God to take the blame when we died long time ago.

Bible as fairy tales? Historian has proof that it is real.Even the second king issue of Babylon. If you care to read the history and Daniel chapter 5.

If you read history as much as you thihk so, you will know what I mean. I am not mentioning anything in details, for I only want to discuss with those who really read Histoy, and not to pick on one verse and critic the Bible. Too childish.

2007-01-09 18:41:32 · answer #6 · answered by Melvin C 5 · 0 2

I belive the bible is all a fairytale. It was just an old form of government so people had somthing to fear and behaved well.

2007-01-09 18:31:07 · answer #7 · answered by Wise guy 2 · 4 0

It simply relates to the history of a battle, probably between Canaanites/Philistines and the Judeans.

2007-01-09 18:30:38 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Have you heard this one yet? If you are going to read the bible in the hopes of finding something to prove yourself right in your review of it, you will, and God is going to prove himself right in his review of you on the Day of Judgment? If you are interested in reading it to find out what he is saying to you then you will find that too. And with much more evidence to support your search for the truth than you’ll get by going at it from the other direction.

2007-01-09 20:06:55 · answer #9 · answered by hisgloryisgreat 6 · 0 2

READ JOSHUA CHAPTER 14 & 15

THE HILL COUNTRY, HEBRON, WAS PROMISED TO CALEB. SO JUDAH AS A WHOLE COULD NOT HAVE DRIVEN THE PEOPLE OUT, CALEB HAD TO BE THE ONE TO DO THE DRIVING.

2007-01-09 18:54:28 · answer #10 · answered by dawn m 3 · 0 1

Makes you wonder.... The chariot was supposedly a symbol of sucess in war, and they had God on their side.
I guess he lost, or he isn't omnipotent???

2007-01-09 18:29:41 · answer #11 · answered by GM Au 2 · 2 0

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