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Saul of Tarsus arguing with the early Christians?

Saul was a highly educated individual in the religious arts, who could easily argue with clear logic that this new religion, that had people going from door to door, was clearly a false cult. He could show Biblically that these uneducated people were being brainwashed into thinking that Jewish teachings, rituals, and observances (holidays), dating back hundreds of years, was no longer valid. Worse yet, it was being done by lower class, uneducated individuals, like an ex-fisherman (Peter) and an ex-tax collector (Matthew).

Didn't he have just as valid a point as those today, who claim good Bible knowledge, in proving that Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong? It took a major miracle to convince Saul otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_of_Tarsus

2007-01-09 18:03:32 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Saul didn't deny the diety of Christ, he denied the Messiah had come the first time, like most Jews, and for the exact same reason that Christendom denies he has come the second time. History repeats itself.

2007-01-09 18:17:30 · update #1

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Jehovah's Witnesses have the true religion. They are Christian (of course), but they are unique for their rejection of paganisms, use of God's personal name, and global preaching by every active adherent. No other religious organization can claim such purity of worship.

These facts about Jehovah's Witnesses are perhaps relevant to this question. The more one compares this Christian religion with others, the more remarkable it is shown to be.

1. Jehovah's Witnesses have no paid clergy. Yet they remain tightly organized with more than 6.5 million active Jehovah's Witness preachers (about 16 million associate themselves with the religion). Even fulltime preachers and workers at their branch offices are unpaid volunteers.

2. There is no elite class among Jehovah's Witnesses. Even the few 'anointed' among them enjoy no special privileges in their congregations on earth. An anointed person (one of those relative few with a heavenly hope) is not elevated above his fellow congregants in any way, and he may not even qualify for appointment as a simple 'deacon' or elder. There are no titles; EVERYONE is addressed as 'brother' or 'sister'.

3. No person benefits economically from the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Even the 8 to 20 men who serve on their Governing Body receive simply room, board, medical care, and reimbursement for certain personal expenses according to the exact same provision as every other branch volunteer.

4. About a hundred men have served on Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body committee during the past 125 years or so. The vast majority of them have spent the vast majority of their adult lives volunteering for their organization's purposes, and the vast majority have died faithfully and near-pennilessly while still under their legal 'vow of poverty'.

5. Amazingly, Jehovah's Witnesses did not splinter as a sect from some other religion. Instead, a truly tiny but sincere group of bible students studied only the Scriptures to determine the will of God. Thus their religion remains absolutely independent of and not carrying the sins of Christendom's history, yet carries the authority of Christ's teachings.

6. Despite the distortions of anti-Witnesses, throughout their modern history Jehovah's Witnesses have refused to claim divine inspiration or infallibility for their teachings. They have pointed to the bible (and not any particular translation) as the only inspired infallible means of knowing God's thoughts. For over 125 years, their teachings have been presented as merely the results of sincere bible research by imperfect but godly humans.


Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/jt/article_07.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/20040601/article_02.htm
http://jw-media.org/people/who.htm
http://jw-media.org/people/statistics.htm

2007-01-11 07:15:45 · answer #1 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 0 1

While Jehovah and Jesus don't have any want for preserving documents on paper, persons are distinctive. We want them to grasp wherein we have now been and what we ought to paintings on. Wherever you're employed, I believe it's paperless. Nor might it want desktops, the brand new paper. Undoubtedly, the first century Christians might have had some thing an identical. They went from condo to condo however we all know the paintings, as the whole lot of God, is prepared. So any person had to recognize who went wherein and the way a ways. This used to be so others might pass to distinctive places of the towns. How did they maintain monitor? We recognize they would now not deliver the entire scrolls round with them. They had studied adequate from early early life onward to have a quality talents of the holy writings from reminiscence. Perhaps they only remembered wherein they went and who they met. I simply recognize I are not able to come almost doing that. What did I say? Oh! Yeah. The Bible is our "Supreme Authority". It will have to be so for each and every truly Christian.

2016-09-03 19:34:14 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

PRECIOUS BIBLE STUDY TIME

When a person claims a good bible education as Jehovah's Witnesses
have, I have heard from sources, they do argue. I don't want to argue.

If you study with an organizations bible teacher, if one incorrect thing
is taught, all the students have it incorrect. If they do not know it,
they are innocent.
If one student knows the difference, then that student is not innocent.
This is when one gets out of Christendom, in time, that one incorrect thing
is a cause of the next incorrect thing.
How many people can stay in Christendom or any other for feeling guilty?
What few years I have left, I want to finish my bible studies from age 27.

All organizations are either a witness for self or the author of the book,
depending on how many things are incorrect. Paul was like some one jerked
out of Christendom. Like me. He knew for sure he was in the wrong, he
was no longer innocent. I believe in these end time days 60% wrong can be
100% right, if all are innocent of the 40% with good hard work a reasons.

In seeking bible education myself, now for me at 44th year, it is a big book.
So many things interrupt time needed as sickness of others and very own self,
learning of alzheimer's and dementia, brain tumor or cancer, stroke and brain
damage, mental ilness and bipolar, post tramatic stress disorder and dyslexia,
amnesia and memory loss and a variety of cancer as skin, lung, spider,
pancreas or bone cancer. Surgeries for some, and also accidents. Getting
over illness and death of many. Getting the last little one grown. To get a
proper diagonsis and help with health to feel better in old age, is nice.

From Adam all the people in the world are innocent, yet born is sin to face
all the above in health and religion. To sorting out stuff taught from children
to see some true bible facts and few people can face the pain of change.
So they argue, I don't want to argue. I can see and know the discomfort.
Time is not on any ones side but my own as it has turned out in my family.

As heard,"4004 Adam to Christ." I must check it out. I don't want to argue.
As heard,"Bible is wrong, here, there or where ever." I do check it out.
If I found this incorrect, how many years of people could have done the
same? How many people in the world can figure time from Adam to Christ?

History repeats itself. I have done a study on this in the bible and it is as
a math check to keep from getting it wrong, it repeats itself. I find the
bible a truely amazing book to study. Human nature and all is in it.

2007-01-10 08:20:32 · answer #3 · answered by jeni 7 · 0 1

Is this really papa bear, I thought you had more intelligence than to read the kids wikipedia.I do not know what school you think
Peter and Matthew should have attended.I find them more educated than most Ivy league graduates.

2007-01-09 18:20:55 · answer #4 · answered by gwhiz1052 7 · 0 1

Obviously all the sects that are based exclusively on the Bible are able to support their beliefs out of the Bible by understanding different passages to mean different things. That's why we need living prophets to explain what those passages really mean. The prophet who has the authority to teach the world today is Gordon B. Hinckley. Learn more here: www.mormon.org.

2007-01-09 18:11:22 · answer #5 · answered by drshorty 7 · 0 3

I read once about a Russian Mig fighter pilot who risked everything to fly his mig fighter to Japan to flee the USSR. Of course he sought protection from the US and when he was brought to the US, he visited some supermarkets. At first he thought the were staged for his benifit because they had to wait in line for hours to buy meat and bread. Here, they are in meat counters dozens of feet long. He realized that there were too many of these supermarkets for it to be staged.

Why did he think it was staged in the first place? It is all he heard from the Russian government. He was amazed at almost everything he saw ...things we take for granted...things we have because thousands of our military are still on the beaches of France because they gave their life for our freedom....freedom the Watchtower are free loaders on. How so? They are fast to take us to court of we step on their toes...but they will do NOTHING to assure that freedom exist.

Radio Free Eurpope tried to tell the Russian people what freedom was like..but the government always tried to jam these radio signals....much as the Watchtower tries to jam the signals of what REAL Christians are like....not the Christiiandom you hear about in Kingdom Halls all the time.

GOD does not mind honest questioning. He encourages it. We are told to try the spirits to see if they are from GOD. One of the best ways to do that is to question what we are being told..but I sure would not ask Ronald McDonald if Big Macs are the best hamburger if I wanted the truth. Why then ask the WatchTower if the Watchtower is true? Why not go directly to the source of all truth...THE BIBLE!!!!

The Watchtower is necessary to
understand the Bible
Article: "Do we Need Help to Understand the Bible"
Citation: Watchtower 2/15/1981, page 19

In reality...this elevates the WT ABOVE the WORD OF GOD!!!

2007-01-09 18:29:45 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1 3

I'd compare it to Tom Cruise arguing religion with Betty Bowers.

2007-01-09 18:14:42 · answer #7 · answered by BuddyL 5 · 2 1

When you mentioned Jehovah's Witness + Brainwashed = Cult?

2007-01-09 18:19:57 · answer #8 · answered by charmaine f 5 · 0 2

No, Saul was more like a JW: He DENIED the diety of Jesus just like the JW cult does.

2007-01-09 18:13:56 · answer #9 · answered by revulayshun 6 · 1 3

You can never "argue" a persons beliefs. They believe them whether true or not.

2007-01-09 18:11:15 · answer #10 · answered by chuck 3 · 4 1

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