isnt it obvious that the universe was created for life? for atheist?

Question

the universe operates through the laws of nature,if one was off just a little it would be all out of whack, cant you see the whole picture of the reasoning behind this? isnt it strange how certain things have to line up in just the right order for it to work, including life
the process is complicated and intricate, from the very tiniest atom to the largest of planets it all works beautifully and in concert with each other

kailee what i am trying to do is convince atheist of a creator

too many chances for me, a lot of chances have to be too perfect for everything to work as it does

the laws that nature follow are not chances

how do you know this is the only planet with life? and who said life has to be perfect and how would you describe a perfect form of life, i think the universe is set up perfect

why do you keep bringing life into this what about the universe if one of those laws differant to a certain degree none of it would work no sun no earth no life

so what you are trying to say curio the universe works with what its got, im sorry you cant compare the workings of the universe to a part missing in a car, it just wouldnt work without any part missing

sounds better katrina, but how did that process of elimination start

i guess it goes back to how did it all began and when we cant answer that, god comes up, new theories on top of old ones

im sorry i didnt take time to make an essay for you kalei

Answer 1

actually, life is much more diverse than people once thought. There is a very good possibility that life exists in some of the harshest places in the world, including other planets and moons in our solar system. I am not talking about alien creatures that can walk and talk, but microbial life could very well exist on other planets. Life is very adaptive, and can overcome very large hurdles. To say that life is fragile and can only exist under certain circumstances requires an intimate knowledge of the qualifications OF life...which no one, INCLUDING you, can make.

Answer 2

This is a very basic argument that people tend to throw around because it sounds very intelligent and logical. It is, however, not.

This argument is referred to as the "fine-tuned universe" theory. It finds itself in a group of creationist theories like the "irreducible complexity" theory, the "specified complexity" theory, the "intelligent designer" theory and "theistic realism."

We are assuming that if one small aspect of existence was changed, the universe would come crashing down. As it stands now, yes, this is true. However, think of it like cooking.

If you have a certain bunch of ingredients, and you want to make a certain kind of dish, you make due with what you've got. You can't have flour, milk, eggs and butter and expect a pot roast. The universe developed the way it is with the materials present, not the other way around.

Or, think about a car. If one were to pop the hood of a Ferrari and remove a vital hose, the car wouldn't run. Voila, the system doesn't work. However, were the Ferrari designer forced to create the car lacking that certain hose, the car still would've been designed... just lacking that hose.

[Edit: Obviously, this is a very basic analogy. The car missing a hose has no chance of spontaneously developing that hose. The universe, however, does have the ability to work around such problems. And if, for some reason, it can't, then the universe will simply change the definition to fit the new data. The universe has no bias, no desire, it just merely IS. People want things to work nicely, to seem like they're meant to be that way. It's natural. We project ourselves into the world, into space. It's called anthropomorphism, and it's how we came about religion in the first place.]

Now, this doesn't assume an intelligent designer (or "watch-maker" as some call it -- a watch, like the universe, is very complex and couldn't have formed naturally, hence a designer). It all just comes down to making due with that is there.

Things work with each other beautifully and in concert because they're all basically made of the same materials. Carl Sagan called it "star stuff." If all material in the universe is essentially the same, there's no reason why things shouldn't work together very well. The sudden introduction of large amounts of matter that is intrinsically incoherent with the structure of the universe would be detrimental, but unlikely.

Incidentally, this is the only planet we know of that supports life, yes. That we know of. There are millions of billions of stars, and if each star has at least one planet (our own has eight, after all), saying that there is no more life in the universe is statistically ridiculous.

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Answer 3

It is not obvious at all...

In the big scheme of things... nature has a very delicate balance... and we see this everyday on earth.

Us humans... who are no bigger than microbes compared to the size of the Universe... have managed to upset the nature of a whole planet.

As you said yourself...
isnt it strange how certain things have to line up in just the right order for it to work, including life.

It is because it takes so many things to create life that we only have life on this planet. It is just random and pure luck.

The Universe is a wild place and totally inhospitable. More dangerous than anything on Earth.

Why would you need a Universe that big... just to create life on a tiny planet like Earth?
Even if there was 1000 planets like Earth... it is still a very big Universe.

And what is life? The Universe can live quite happily without man. And so does the planet Earth. Man is a user... it does not contribute anything to Earth or the Universe. It takes and destroy.
So... what's your point?

Answer 4

Actually, the universe started off as a tiny tiny space that was filled with a scalar field. This field was subject to many many quantum fluctuations over an impossible to imagine length of time, and eventually, the field jumped to a value that caused an enormous amoutn of energy to burst forth, and in the fraction of a second of that burst, the universe swelled to a gigantic size, stretching the field out so that the quantum jitters in it were barely there. The field released the rest of its pent up energy into the production of particles. These particles got attracted to the minute ripples of the quantum jitters in the field and they in turn got bigger gravity and that's why stars and galaxies formed. The rest is history. There doesn't have to be reasoning. If you consider infinite time and infinite possibilities, our universe was bound to exist at one point or another. It's all in the maths. Maybe there are other universes or have been other universes that are 'all out of whack', we just happen to live in this one.

Answer 5

if the entire universe was created for life why is it that we are the only planet... so far with any life on it, and it is only our planet that works perfectly with everything, and even so our world is not perfect, but your argument could also be used to support science, as for me I chose to believe in neither I'm just here to live and die.

but couldn't we just all forget this and work on developing our species instead of arguing over something neither side can prove

edit: also do you think this is the first universe? there could have been hundreds or thousand or millions before us, we just got lucky in this one and life was created, but in around a trillion years.. long after we're dead, the universe will collapse on itself and expand again creating more oppurtunities for life... and I know I don't believe in either i just think its cool that the further you go the less time it is, if you look at a star a billion light years away you are seeing that start as it was a billion years ago. sorry for the story.

Answer 6

Well most babys arent born. And it is against all odds that i would of been born. The amount of choices that would of had to been made are infinite. That doesnt mean i was made by god but a product of a chance. Life doesnt rely on certain things to survive. It all depends on what it was born to adapt to. Like oxygen is a poisonous gas. But we can breathe it because we adapted to it. And jsut because the world is this way doesnt support a god. There are lots of things wrong with the universe. There is nothing outside of life. I dont see how it could be created for any other reason for that. That does not support god though.
If i say the flying spaghetti monster made it doesnt that prove he is right to.

Answer 7

Hi, Dis, I understand exactly where you are coming from. The proof is all around us, and even inside of us, but they cannot open their minds long enough to understand. The atom itself should be proof enough, if one would really think about it long enough. I don't think anyone can convince an atheist of a creator. Most people only believe what they want to believe, and will not open their mind long enough because they are trying too hard to defend their no proof idea. They cannot prove that there is not a God. If they knew what we know, they would understand why the world is in the shape it is now. It is not because of God, it is because of man. God had made the world to begin with to be perfect, without earthquakes, famine, etc. He gave man a choice right at the beginning of life. Man chose sin, and let Satan take over. That is why the world is in the shape it is in. Jesus came not to save the world, but to save man from the world. I could explain a lot more, but I think if they want to understand more about this, they will read about it for themselves. If they want to be saved, they have to believe first.

If there was a Big Bang, then Who do you think lit the fuse?

Answer 8

Life is much more adaptable than you think - a result of natural selection. Whatever we do, life will adapt. It won't look like what we are used to, it might not support us, it might exist without us, but it will adapt. In spite of us. Our mission, if we want to continue to exist and have a decent quality of life for us and our kids, is to do what we can to slow or reverse the radical changes that we are making in the biosphere (the Earth's entire ecosystem) and preserve an environment that is conducive to our existence. Or at least changing slowly enough for us to adapt successfully ourselves.

Forget about god and praying - act globally, in concert with others to maintain the balance.

Answer 9

Turn it around the other way. If the laws and constants of physics were not the way they are presently, life wouldn't have evolved in the first place for you to be sitting here questioning it. The universe wasn't created for life (if it were, why haven't we seen any life elsewhere? Or in space? Or covering every planet?), life evolved to fit the universe.

Answer 10

isn't it obvious that an if it was created, it was done imperfectly with extinctions and mutations, evolution and catastrophes that point to poor planning and lack of control

the instinct to survive is very strong, even the religious who tout a supreme being are afraid to die but yet believe in a better next life, etc

gravity has been more consistent than the ever shifting religions and attempts from people to control humankind with it