There is only one thing that makes Christians nervous.?

Question

When you mention free will. Either they have it therefor God can do nothing to help them. Or God is all knowing and what god knows will happen, has to happen and man does not have free will. So he can't help himself. It is a dilemma for Christians, but there is no way out. OO

free2bme5 I'm sorry I cant communicate with you. Of course we have different logic so you have came up with a solution to suit you and others of your religion of course. To my logic it is nonsense but God Bless and good luck.

Answer 1

very slick the way u tried to turn a statement into a question by using a question mark....lol

"There is only one thing that makes Christians nervous.? "

or maybe it isnt slick at all but just plain stupi---uh nevamind...

anyway...freewill is granted to everyone....although God already knows our hearts...and whether or not we will decide to obey him or rebel against him... He never forces himself on anyone...the choice is yours...

here's a word to the simple....

if u want to kno what makes a christian nervous...."Here's a clue"
ASK A CHRISTIAN....

now i kno your probably sitting there scratching your head like..."my my...whatever did he mean by here's a word to the simple" ?

what i meant is who needs a word to the wise..when its the simple ones who need it most...."LIKE YOU"

Answer 2

I see by your profile that you are an atheist. I do not expect that your will even consider as relevent, however it is very similar to a question that I answered a short while ago. I am coping that answer, so the reverences to the mountain are from that answer. I think however that my response does answer your question.

Your question has plagued theologians for thousands of years.
Regarding free will and all knowing. let me give you a very limited example. I have a dog. Her name is Pecas. When she was a pup, I knew that if she got loose she would allow me to get about three feet from her and then she would run. I also knew that this game would go on for a long time. She knew that I wanted to catch her. During these "Game times" I would call her repeatedly.

I purchased a shock collar. When she got loose, I would call her, and if she didn't come I would press a button and she would get a shock. It took only three of these shock treatments for her to realize that if she came she would not get shocked.

When I call her her now she comes immediately. I know this will happen. Does Pecas have free will? I believe so. Do I have foreknowledge that she will come when she is called? I think so. If I can have this sort of foreknowledge on a limited basis why is it logically impossible for an all knowing God, that created the universe and every human being to be all knowing.

As to your question about God making a mountain so big he cannot lift it and still be all powerful. The Christian answer to both parts is yes! We are getting into deep waters here so bear with me. The Christian God eternally exists in three distinct persons, but yet there is only one God. We call God a Tri-unity or Trinity. Each of these persons is no greater or less than any other person, but each have different functiions and responsibilities. One of these persons is called the "Father". He is the creator of the universe including life. He is also the sustainer of life. Without God the Father you and I would die in a moment. He is the God that made that huge mountain you were talking about.

Right in the very first chapters of the Bible we see that man was created in the image of "God". It also says that God walked with and talked with man. The person of God that works directly with man is called God the "Son". One of the things that God the Father gave to man was free will. If man did not have this free will he would be less than human. At some point in time, man rebelled against God. (We could get into the role of satan etc., but that would be a digression). This was no suprise to the Trinity. In fact in the third chapter of the first book of the Bible the Trinity declares how this rebellion will be eventually crushed. God the Son was given the responsability to crush the rebellion. In order to do this he took on the very form and nature of man. He did this by his death and ressurection. To answer your question, as a man God the Son was completely unable to physically move a mountain. God the Son is still working directly with man to help him overcome the effects of the human rebellion.

The third person of the Trinity is called God the Holy Spirit. His responsibility is somewhat less defined than the other two persons. His role is to convict man of his rebellion, and then to lead man to a place of forgiveness.

This is my own opinion. It is not official Christian dogma. Each of the three Persons takes on both specific tasks, and also takes on limitations. God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, for example do not have a physical body. Perhaps the Holy Spirit did not have need to be part of the physical creation. Possibly God the Son and the Holy Spirit do not need to have foreknowledge. I could go on, but I hope that you get the point that an all powerful and an all knowing God still has given man the power of free will.

Answer 3

If God knew what you were going to do and forced you to do something else, then you wouldn't have free will. If God knows what will happen as a consequence of your actions and removes the consequence of your actions, then you have no free will nor accountability. Where there is a law given, there is a punishment or a reward, otherwise, whats the point in giving a law. No worries here. Just because God knows something will happen does not mean he caused it, perhaps you did.

Answer 4

Here is an easy concept to see how this can happen. God isn't ruled by time since He created it. We make the decisions, he can travel to any place in time and back again. In essence, 9:45 i had the decision to eat or not eat some ice cream. God goes to 9:46 sees what i choose and comes back to 9:45 and knows i'll pick to eat the ice cream. That's a simple way to explain free will+ omniscience in human terms. supernaturally it may be much different.

Answer 5

How is it that free will means God will not help us? If I in my free will subjugate myself to him and place myself willingly into his influence what part of helping me, if he chooses to, negates my free will?

Just because I know something will happen does not mean that the other person's free will is gone. Jesus told Peter that he would deny him. Peter with all the fore knowledge still acted it out though he himself declared it would never be so.

Another quaint example: My Daughter when offered soda or water will always choose water. I know this and make her an offer anyways. I know she will choose water and she freely chooses it. It is more so with God.

Another example: If you were to enter a hedge maze. You are free to move about. If I were to get high enough I could see your outcome. You still have free will and I still see the end.

I must confess I always find it humorous when the created explain the rules the creator HAS to follow or else it all does not make sense!

Answer 6

You are confused. We make our decisions by our own choice like your decision to make your statement. That statement was made by your own free will, period. What is also true is God knows what decisions you will make. He simply knows, knowing is not making you choose either way. There is no dilemma. They are two different things. We will all have to answer for every thought and word we utter. You cannot get away from being accountable for your behavior. Your only hope is receiving forgiveness through Jesus. And don't kid yourself, your questions do not make me nervous.

Answer 7

Nope. No way out. You either accept the responsibly for your actions or you don't. If you want God to help you, you must decide so of your own free will. That means that it is you who decides or not to do his will instead of your own free will to continue with self destructive habits etc.
The nervousnes you speak of, is it due to the failure to accept this responsibility? Is the nervousness an avoidance tactic? Is the nervousness related to some aspect of not growing up?

Answer 8

Well, I read your question to find out what one thing makes me nervous.

Sorry. Didn’t make me nervous.

I have free will and I can choose to ask God for help or not to ask him. If I ask him he will help me or at least guide me toward understanding why the thing I’m asking for can’t happen the way I want. Free will does not mean that we can’t petition for help. I’ve never heard of that concept before so perhaps you could tell us which Faith believes it.

Answer 9

God knows exactly what we'll do, but He doesn't make us do it. That doesn't take away our free will, hence your ability to come here and post ignorant things like this. The dilema isn't with christians who comprehend this, but with people who can't grasp that very simple concept. There goes that whole "atheists are more intelligent and educated" nonsense you guys keep saying, you've blown that one away.

Answer 10

Yes God can do everything to help me, because it is by my free will that I allow Him free reign in my life. It is my decision to allow Him to take over. He does not demand my love, He doesn' t demand to be in my life...

Jesus CHrist stands at the door and knocks( the door to our hearts) it is up to us to open the door and let him in ( into our lives)
Free will can either be a good thing, or a bad thing, and God does not intervene in our lives unless we ask.