Does a win for Democrats mean a loss for America?

Question

History has proven that backing down from a jihad is no guarantee that the enemy will stop fighting. Recent history shows us that ignoring small attacks (at least 8 during Klintin's 2 terms) is a great way to get hit with a big one(9-11, in case you have your head up your ****). Knowing all of this, DummyKraps still want to throw up the white flag and bring the troops home. If we did that, and the terrorists followed us back to wage war on our own turf (as they have in the Netherlands and in France, which have more of an appeasement attitude), would that be an indication of failed Liberal ideals, or is there some canned response to blame it on Bush?

Answer 1

There is little difference between the two parties. Two heads on the same monster. Nothing happens without the approval of both sides or actually that the controlling interests in both sides agree then send their puppets to mouth the words.

The deal with Iraq is simple. We had it won. Once the elections happened and Saddam was captured we were done. We could have left victorious. Then gone on to pressure other Islamic nations to expel terrorists and taken a much tougher stance with Iran. Instead we ignored common sense. The nation of Iraq was forged in fear and with the fear removed the seems of course are coming undone.

Second we are not attacking the source. We can kill insurgents until we are blue in the face. The people organizing them hide in Islamic society and send societal rejects and the very willing to go die for them. Until we fight the source of terrorism we are just chopping heads off a hydra.

Appeasement will not work. Terrorists do not want anything but our destruction. We are a threat to their way of life by our existence. Israel is a fake issue. If Israel went away they'd find another excuse. If that excuse went away they'd find another. The reality is Western society brings temptation and dangerous ideas and is invading the Middle East. Sooner or later if we exist some of those ideas will put the Religious extremists out of power. That is what scares them. The society they build will likely be quite different from Western society but just as different from the dark ages the Middle East has been suspended in for over a 1,000 years. Intellectual, religious and societal freedom are spectres that haunt the nightmares of this group. They cannot fight these ideas much longer. Already there are major pockets in various countries where traditional Arab values are falling away. A new society is building. If they crush it another will sprout and yet another. It is their Hydra. So they strike out at the source and that is Western society. We have to cease to exist for them to continue to exist long term. The world is too small today for both Western and the society the Islamic fanatics have built to co-exist. One must die.

So we are down to an us or them situation. Iraq has been a long running distraction and a magnet for contreversy. We do the same tried and failed tactics we abandoned in WW II and should have abandoned in Korea and Nam, but for some reason we still paint targets on our soldiers backs and make them walk patrols. We've learned nothing about fighting insurgancies despite lots of practice and examples of what not to do from around the world. We overstayed our welcome. Now if we go we look weak and invite attacks. If we stay we just get deeper in the quicksand. Unless we change the focus, go after these Religious leaders that are causing the whole problem we cannot win. We can kill every Iraqi and millions will flood in because the local Holy man told them that was what Allah wants them to do and they get to go to Heaven if they do.

We also need to take a page out of the British book and start burying insurgents with pig parts in their bodies and preventing them from being buried within 24 hours. In fact we need to put the bodies on display for days at a time. Lets take that Heaven motivation right out of them. Make them just as unwilling to die as we are. Lets see just how ready they are to fight if they don't get to go to Heaven if they are killed.

Lets also drop the arrogance. Western culture is not the only culture in the world. As long as we try to pretend they have the same motivations as us we are going to look stupid to them. This arrogance just alienates them. Did the thought ever enter our brains that there are things in Western society they really do not want? That maybe somebody doesn't consider us the ultimate society to emulate? If we remove the religious fanatics and let them build their own society borrowing what they like from ours we'll have far more success and far less conflict. Both Left and Right are guilty of this. The Right assumes they want to be just like us, the Left thinks that they can talk to these guys except from a posisition of strength. Both fail miserably. The Right comes off like bullies and the Left comes off like weaklings unfit to sit at the same table. Both attitudes only invite problems.

Answer 2

We heard the same argument for remaining in Viet Nam. "If we don't fight them there we will have to fight them here." We finally left Viet Nam (several thousand dead soldiers too late) and low and behold we did not have to fight them here. The insurgency is far different than the war on terror. the insurgents want contro of their nation. Even after we leave they will be fighting each other (over there) for control. The war on terror will be with us for some time. Yes, we will at times fight it here and other times elsewhere, regardless as to the outcome in Iraq. The same terrorists that have entered into the insurgency there are still trying to figure out how to hit us here.

I have a bigger concern about US citizens that unintentionally support our enemies every day. There are a lot of them and they do this through encouraging divisiveness. They use immature names for those they don't agree with, are very judgmental about differing points of view, and appear to be incapable of serious political discourse. Your question sir is a perfect example. "A house divided against itelf cannot stand." Lincoln was right when he said that and the words are right for today.

Those like you encourage this nation to remain divided. The damge done by the cancer of divisiveness is far longer lasting and far more dangerous to the future of this nation than the attacks on 9/11 could ever hope to be. This divisiveness encourages and aids our enemies in way simple political disagreement never can. Those encouraging this divisiveness in the face of our enemies are aiding them in their war against us. So I ask you sir, why would you continue to do this?

Answer 3

What about the 3000-soldier loss that the last 2 republican wins have cost us? Have you forgotten that there was no link between Iraq and the 9-11 attacks. Democrats do not have a cut-and-run strategy, despite what republicans like to say. If there is a canned response to blame it on Bush, it looks like you already have your canned response to blame on the democrats to challenge it.

Answer 4

I hope not. The democrats might have bitten off more than they can chew. Be that as it may, they asked for it, and they'll now have to step up or step aside. I honestly hope they step up. I don't want to go home in a body bag. That's actually why a lot of deployed soldiers voted for President Bush instead of Senator Kerry; they knew his proposed plan would get them killed quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Answer 5

The real war - - - our organized uniformed army against Iraq organized national army was won in a couple of days . We are not fighting any organized army , therefore it's a war in name only . Fighting groups of bandits is the work of local police . The policeman knows the people on his beat , and cooperate with each other . Now the people don't turn in criminals to foreigners , but instead hide and protect them. We should have set a reasonable date for the Iraqis to govern themelves . If they failed to do it - - - tough .

Answer 6

Oh of course the knee jerk response is to blame Bush for everything! Look at the whole hurricane Katrina debacle! That was a storm contrived by the President to eliminate the black voters in Louisiana!!

Answer 7

Democrats are going to ruin this country. They want us to pay higher taxes and higher gas prices. And they also want us to hug more trees. I'm also tired of their canned responses that everything from Katrina to 9-11 are President Bush's fault.

Answer 8

Bush lied,we invaded there country. Its working out badly for us.
Bring home our troops.
Its not democrats and republicans,its right and wrong.
Bless our troops.

Answer 9

I agree with your main point, but I usually don't answer questions with such a disrespectful tone.

Answer 10

It isn't our job to fight this war alone. We ****** up and didn't get support first. I don't care attack or no attack. Rules were established and we went around them. We attacked the wrong country! If anything bad happens you can blaim the dems but we all know idiot bush lit the fire!