How can religious homophobes use 'lack of scientific proof' to reject the notion of inherent homosexuality...

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(denying that one can be born with homosexual orientation)...while at the same time the scientifically evident mechanisms of evolution are painstakingly dismissed in order to put their 'feeling of truth' ahead of the scientific proof of biodiversity and evolution? If they presume homosexuality can't be part of one's genetic make up based solely on the belief in an outdated book and 'lack of scientific evidence' based on genes, then how can the same people deny the obvious and comprehensive scientific evidence of evolution? Is their faith not simply belief without scientific proof? If so, what right do they have to denounce the gut feeling of sexual orientation that individuals sincerely embody using the reverse of their previous logic? How can lack of scientific evidence be used as a weapon to deny someone else's personal truth while at the same time the actual presence of scientific data of evolution is replaced with their own gut feelings to validate creation?

(btw, i'm straight, just not narrow)
I love how when the individuals I was referring to are called out on their hypocrisy, they respond as if I am making things up. Cathy C, maybe you were born in the 80s, but homosexuality has in fact been part of the world’s human culture for centuries. As we have made advances in psychology, science, and all fields, our culture no longer thrives on REPRESSION and self-denial as it did in the Victorian Era. We also have learned to challenge authority figures or established ideas of our past, as we as a human race are mentally evolving as well. The view that African-Americans were worth a fraction of a white American was popular during slavery. Does that mean no blacks went to or will go to heaven? Do you remember how as soon as the initial reports were made public of priest molestation, more and more people began to speak out on what they had suffered through? We feel ashamed because society is used to a comfortable and familiar norm.

When someone can’t explain why their own sexual disposition differs from the wider public’s, or when a girl who was raped feels so humiliated that she would not dare speak about the incident to another soul, just as young members of the church were unsure of how to go about dealing with the injustices they suffered, the concept of comfort in numbers is evident. Much of the reason people belong to churches is for social support and relating. It provides the strength to lead you to your truth with those who experience similar things. I am not confusing homosexuality with fantasy, but if you are thinking that people didn’t begin to communicate the sincerity behind their orientation until the 80s, you are simply unaware of social realities, and in fact, YOU are mistaking homosexuality for AIDS, the disease that became more prevalent in the 80s in our country. That is sad rationale.

To the rest who need to brush up on grammar in order to understand what is being said, I acknowledged that there IS a lack of scientific proof of the existence of a ‘gay gene’. At the same time, gays know the truth about themselves, and it is natural to them, whether or not the proof exists. In the same manner, we lack the scientific proof of a GOD!! But we do have comprehensive data on the science of evolution!! So you can deny someone else’s truth due to lack of the discovery of a gay gene, while asserting your belief in the bible as divine with the opposing logic that you don’t need scientific evidence for the presence of god, because you have faith in yourself, and your savior. I am making no new claims, I am inquiring about the logic.
An apple falls from a tree to the ground explained by the Theory of Gravity. Life on Earth is diverse due to the Theory of Evolution. God can coexist with nature.

Answer 1

lack of scientific evidence is of no use in this discussion; even if there were some scientific proof, they'd go for other "reasons" in their (senseless) argument.

this is a completely religious thing - homosexuality has been around (and documented ) for thousands of years - it has been nothing "bad" - it was socially not only accepted but completely ordinary. only during the last couple of centuries someone (probably a pope?) decided that it is unnatural (to say the least).

actually, there even isn't a lack of scientific evidence any more. I read an article a couple of weeks ago describing an experiment: people where shown different pictures whilst having their brain activity monitored. (the pictures included anything, from men, women, bycicles, flowers, everything).

the result was: gay men/women responded to pictures of their own gender, hereosexual men/women to these of the opposite sex.

the interesting thing: the region of the brain, that responded, was in the area of the brainstem, the autonomic nervous system. that part of the brain controls automatic reactions, like breathing, heart beat, things like that. the point is: it is a part of the brain which cannot be altered un-/consciuosly, thus proposing that the genes are pretty much responsible for someones sexual orientation.

but as i said earlier, they will make up other reasons...

Answer 2

You do realize if that is true, evolution could end up favoring homosexuality in 1 million years.

We have no statistics for the long past, but estimates today put it around 10% or higher. Of course that could also include will full orientation changes (homosexual by choice).

What if Natural Selection makes the choice as a form of contraception to stem population growth in a finite world.

That's why I favor God making a willful choice on things as opposed to random, mindless concepts.

We'll know if homosexuality ever increases to 30% or 40% in 1 million years, if we survive that long.

That should give the randomists the chilly whillies. Golly, one day all your kids could be born homosexual and that's the end of your blood line.

That's another tid bit to file away for the future on if or if not evolution actually works. Let's see what the instance of homosexuals per capital becomes.

There is no long term proof, either, that artificially induced babies can keep a speices alive. We only need look at the Panda to a future of a species on the way out.

Answer 3

What scientific evidence are you talking about??? Because they have found the brain of a gay person to be different than the brain of a heterosexual person? Is that what you are referring to? Were you in the laboratory when they did the brain experiments? Do you believe 100% that just because a scientist said it it HAS to be true?? If so, you are relying on faith just as much as a Bible believer, unless you are the actual scientist who was in the laboratory at the time. Do you not think that it is possible that LIES are sometimes told to further a particular agenda? Why do you think that a heterosexual does not have the right to be disgusted with something that goes against their nature? A gay person is disgusted at the thought of having sex with the opposite sex, does that make them bad? No one is denying anyone anything. Gay people have all kinds of rights, the same rights as everyone else. Why would you like to stop the expression of Freedom of Speech? Why are you in favor of censorship?

Answer 4

Both sides of this argumunt lie. There is no proof that anyone is "born gay". Sexual identity and orientation do not manifest at birth. The classic nature vs. nurture arguments apply. Lastly, even if a gene were identified (and none has) that produced a strong predisposition towards homosexuality, you would then have to prove that all homosexuality is predetermined to say that it cannot be an acquired trait. The inborn vs. choice argument is an outright deception. Development of sexual identity starts at birth, and is a complex process. Given the diverse nature of paraphilias, "choice" and "purely inborn" both lack credibility.

Answer 5

Well it shows how deluded you are of facts and scientific data. I take it that you swallow whatever any one tells you. You follow blindly what scientists have told you of their so called truths and so called facts, yet how have you verified that there facts are correct and true. You can't. You have to take them at face value, you have to have a certain level of faith in those scientists and their findings. Where is your proof you have none you cannot present any, you only have what someone has told you and you believe them wholeheartedly without questioning if they are right or wrong. You say, well alot of people are saying the same thing. And they all cant be wrong. They have been to school higher education have their doctorates, have their degrees. So they have to be right - right? Wrong. It is not the number of people that say something that makes it the truth but the truth is that which always Truth.

Answer 6

What's off about your theory is the fact that just since the 80's, people have claimed to be born with "homosexuality tendancies". If people truely were born that way, then it would have been more evident before the 80's. You are confusing fantasy with homosexuality. We are not born that way and never will there ever be anyone who is born that way. You may call it what you wish, but the fact remains, it's an abomination by GOD and if GOD didn't create it, then they were not born with it. Thank you and good luck on your scientific journey.

Answer 7

Here we go again -- another "science champion" worshipping at the altar of an unproven theory. That unproven theory being evolution, of course.

Darwin's theory of evolution is, pardon the repetition, a THEORY. It has never been proven.

And, in fact, it's not supported by the fossil record.

So ... why are you appealing to an unproven theory with no fossil-record support, in order to try to silence opinions on homosexuality with which you disagree?

Whether a homosexual orientation is "nature or nurture" is not the point.

The issue, from a moral standpoint and a life-expectancy standpoint, is homosexual BEHAVIOR.

And such behavior is morally wrong, not to mention it takes a good 25 years off one's life expectancy.

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Answer 8

Like everything else these religious people do, they pick and choose what they want to use science to validate. There must be scientific proof that homosexuality is inherent in a person's genes, but there doesn't have to be scientific proof that their particular god exists.

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Answer 9

No matter how human's like to make up excuse's for thier sins the fact will always be (freedom of choice) Homosexuality was, is and always will be a Choice that one makes.

Answer 10

IF YOUR GOING TO COME OUT AS THEY SAY THAN DO IT IT IS YOU THAT HAS TO LIVE WITH YOUR CHOICE YOU SEEM TO BE STILL THINKING THAT IT IS WRONG YOU SIT THERE AND TALK ABOUT THE BIBLE AS BEING MAN WROTE COULDN'T OF COME FROM GOD STILL YET YOU LISTEN TO A BUNCH OF SCIENTIFIC MUM BO JUMBO BLA BLA BLA THIS STILL YET THE CANT EVEN CURE THE COMMON COLD THEY SIT IN THERE CUBICLES AND TALK AND TALK AND TALK TRYING TO SOUND IMPORTANT AND SMART YET THEY ARE STILL FOOLING THERE SELVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO THAT IS THERE JOB IF YOU WANT TO GO AND BE A LEZBO THAN DO IT ENJOY YOURSELF FOR ALL SIN IS PLEASURABLE FOR A SEASON GO DO IT TRY IT BUT IF YOU STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IT THAT IS YOUR CONSCIENCE TELLING YOU THIS IS WRONG