I don't understand these opinions on abortion?

Question

Reading some of the questions relating to abortion has confused me there seems to be three views on abortion they are:-

1. It's a womans right to choose
2. It's murder and totally unacceptable
3. It's killing innocent life but ok if you are raped or in medical danger

1 and 2 are straightforward enough it's the third opinion that confuses me. If a feteus is a baby from the word go and abortion is killing this baby what difference does it make what the circumstances are?

If someone was raped carried the child to term then decided to murder the baby as it reminded her of her attacker is that ok?

You can't have it both ways, its either part of the Mother and therefore she has a right to chose whether or not to carry the baby to term OR it's a baby from the word go and killing it cannot be justified.

Mr Danger. Just to point out this is Yahoo uk/ireland therefore Row Vs Wade and constitutional rites have absolutely no bearing. Also I am talking about opinion rather than law.

Answer 1

Very controversial subject. There is no right answer. What ever a woman's decision it should be hers, Don't judge anyone unless you have walked a mile in their shoes.

Answer 2

If people took five minutes and actually read the text of Roe v. Wade they would realize that up until the end of the first trimester a fetus is not considered a legal human being because it can not survive outside of the womb either by natural or artificial means . Therefore it is part of the mother's body and she has a right to do as she sees fit with it.
Since the fetus is not a legal human being it cannot be murdered and it cannot have any Constitutional rights.
However after the the first trimester ends the State can regulate what can be done to an ever increasingly viable human being and the State is within it's rights to prohibit the murder of that human being.
If the pro- abortion people would adhere first tri-mester limit ,a lot of the ugly controversy regarding the madness of partial - birth abortions would go away.
Depending upon the regularity of a woman's menstrual cycle , she has basically two months to make that decision .That is more than a reasonable amount of time.
Abortion as a result of rape and or incest is a no brainer and should be done ASAP
If a woman's life is in danger another no brainer;
saving a fetus and killing the mother is the type of sadism the civilized world hasn't seen in quite a while.
Ultimatley to argue this point using facts and logic is sheer folly. The argument is in fact allegorical. Right to life has nothing to do with the sanctity life because if it did, the RTLer's would also be against capital punishment , war, and in all likelyhood would be liberal vegetarians.
The anti- abortion argument is about sexual behavior as is the gay marriage argument.
There are those who believe that those who practice immoral behaviors should be publically punished for it. You must remember that some of the folks are the descendants of the Calvinists of Massachuesetts Bay Colony and their rules haven't changed; puplic flogging is mandatory.
We see it in the media everyday Some celebrity goes out and does or says something dumb while under the influence and our society demands that the celeb confess their alleged sins in public and get treated .
Back to the abortion issue
What on earth would be a greater punishment for a young woman then forcing her to keep a baby that she doesn't want. ? Can you say cruel kindness? thought so

Answer 3

I agree with opinion 1 and 3 personally, im NOT say abortion should be used as a contraceptive at all. And im NOT saying its a good thing, but everyone has there opinion on this very dicey situation. I was reading on the net the other day abouth how they perform the abortion on a quite far gone fetus, and it is not nice!! Some of the babies have moved arms and legs, twitched and shown a reflex where a newborn thinks ther are being droppes therfore puts arms and legs out to try and stop its self from falling, I do think its murder in these cases, but as i said before its up to the individual, I dont think it should be made illegal though!!

Answer 4

Because most are part of evil religious cults like christianity or islam who see wopemn as nothing more then walking baby factories to go forth and multipl;y and add new paying members to make their cult more powerful.


Same reason they want girls married and controlled, why they hate sex ed as means girls will be able to have sex without getting pregnant, likewise contraception, especailly artificial effective contraception.

Why they hate porn and strippers etc as the guy gets off withotu making babies.


Why they hate gays as gays dont make babies...

Get the idea?


And these relgious were created by nasty men who had no time for women or perverted what was once good and non sexist into something that was.


Foetuses are not people, no memory, no personality, no knowledge, little awareness...


you may as well as say a woemn must have a baby easy cycle if not pregnant so we dont murder the egg and some relgious folk consider a wa@k murder... its looney tunes.


All that matters is the well being of the girl (not what you can use her to get ie a son and some folk cared nothing about the girls (common in relgion) and would happly kill the girl to get their precious son etc.


If I was in a relatioship its the girfriend/wife I care about, a kid is secondary, certainly in terms of a foetus till born

Answer 5

I agree with you on this one. I understand where rape or medical danger seems like an option. However....it really isn't. Later on in life the mother almost always feels guilt associated with a change of heart. The only thing they are doing by aborting is promising themselves a life long guilt trip caused by something that never should have happened. I kind of look at as the "its always darkest before dawn" philosophy. Rape is horrible, regardless, maybe there is something good that come from it. You have the opportunity to make the world a better place by raising that baby right. Sometimes, other people do things and we are forced "to clean up the mess" so to speak. It sucks, but it happens.
As for the medical reasoning, I don't agree with that either. You are telling yourself that you are more important than your child. That you are so selfish, that you had sex, got yourself pregnant, and aren't willing to sacrifice yourself for you child. That is the worst sign of a possible mother. Purely selfish. Most women, would give their lives in a heartbeat for their kids.
But what I find really funny about the whole thing of if it is a life or not: If a woman has an abortion before the baby is considered "viable" its legal, however if a husband strikes his wife and "kills" the fetus, he is guilty of murder. Wrap your mind around that.

Answer 6

It's a matter of when the fetus is considered a baby. As members of this society, we get our basic rights gradually as we get older. We don't get the right to vote, drink, or see porn until we're about 18 or so, if you're in the US. The right to decide for yourself isn't until 17 or so, at least for deciding to have sex. Financial responsibility lies with your parents until you are old enough, generally 16 to 18, to manage your own finances. We are considered responsible enough to drive a car around 16 years.

So, there is also the right to live. That starts somewhere between conception to after you're born. There is a point, which is really arbitrary, where if you're killed, it is considered murder. Currently, it is when you are actually born. Some would like to move it back to when you're a blastocyst, or some arbitrary point inbetween.

So, that's where you get your third option. Some think that if all is normal, except for the accidental conception, that right should be initiated earlier but they'll give some leeway if the woman was forced to have sex.

Personally, I believe that the fetus should gain that right to live when it can live on its own. That is, I think that abortion should be illegal after the woman has given birth, but should be a free option any earlier than that. That's really the only real decisive line that can be drawn, except for conception which is way too early. I would also compromise to disallowing third term abortions, if that would allow us to put this issue behind us.

Answer 7

Indeed, a difficult issue. In terms of (3), the idea is that a baby fundamentally alters (even ruins) the mother's life and so "murder" is justified as a last resort; similarly medical danger means that abortion is the lesser of two evils; destroy the "baby" to preserve the life of the mother.

It is entirely dependant on what you consider a baby. I would argue that in the first few weeks/months, the "baby" is merely a collection of cells with the *potential* to become a foetus, rather than a foetus itself.

Answer 8

There's only one right answer for this: it's a woman's right to choose! It's all very nice for others to say you shouldn't but at the end of the day, they're not the ones having the baby and the responsibilities that come with it!
And saying rape victims should keep the baby even if they don't want to, is pure cruelty.
Mr Danger puts it very clearly and comprehensively!!!

Answer 9

There has always been a right to abortion after rape in the UK, in all other cases it is the womans fault she got pregnant, or at least she knew the risk she was taking. In the case of rape the act was forced on her and she had no say or choice, so the law allowed abortion.

Answer 10

The only time it is ever right to kill a baby (fetus) is when a person must choose between the life of the mother or the life of the baby (very rare) Otherwise, it is legalized murder. Just because something is legal, does not make it right. My suggestion to all of you who are scientific: Go do the scientific research and find out the workings of life in the womb. I don't know how a person can say a fetus is not a person, if you do that. A fetus has a heartbeat after ten days, she has her own bloodstream and blood type. He can feel pain. (We know that because now we can see intro-uterine.) A fetus has a future as a human being just like you and me, if you don't kill him.

Answer 11

No one is asking for it to be two ways, thats why there are 2 arguments, the anti abortionists and the pro abortionist. There will always be fighting on this subject depending on your religion and your beliefs. If it was banned completely then you would end up with the back street needles again. So what do you do?