An Atheist refutation of God...? (from the prospective of a Gnostic)?

Question

Why do they blame God for their lack in spiritual intellect? Why do they blame others for their void with respect to their inner source of being? You proclaim if God was there, he would proclaim himself! The truth is you have by the laws alienated yourself from God, being that you perceive through a mindset of God off in a distant place. You are what you are by pre-determined causes, your whole experience of an Atheist is the laws by which you move within, and as such these laws were by your own past, so in many ways the laws and octaves by which control your thinking inhibits you from understanding anything that is not bound to the physical.

From the prospective of a gnostic, it's no ones fault that you haven't found the capacity to prove these things within yourself by knowing thy self. Experiential knowledge is the highlight and result of being faith to what you know by applying it towards an ideal. We saw you can prove God, it is within your power to - why haven't you?

We are to prove all things, we have that capacity. If you’re searching for a God outside of your own inner source of being, you won’t find. Why? Because there is no personal God outside of us, only impersonal creative forces and laws by which things move and rest. You abide within a greater mind then you know, much like a neuron. Which is why many make the observation of the universe being more like a mind then a great machine. You can’t know God until you know thy self, the ancient mystics know this, Plato and Socrates knew this, they knew of the indwelling logos. Why are you in such a poverty of knowing and have not directly experienced? I could’ve been considered an agnostic until I experienced higher levels of mind and being, but I’m not Christian by any means. Still it remains, the question you should ask why am I in such a deprived state of knowing shackled hand and foot in what Plato describes through Socrates as the Cave? Why suckle on the breast of Dawkin?

FYI, then you would be a spiritual Atheist, sorry for the generalization.

Sand, you don't know anything about Gnosticism. I have been studying Gnosticism for 6 years I know what it is about. Basically I call myself gnostic because I hold the same general beliefs as one. I have the Nag Hammadi Library, I have studied a lot about those times and gnosticism. And I can tell you one very simple thing, that perhaps your google search is devoid of. Gnosticism as far as Christianity was concerned was merely the esoteric reality of it. Mystical Christians were branded gnostics by by a few of the 4th century church fathers that refuted them and called them Heretics. A Gnostic seeks direct experience, since they knew they had a level of being by which they could know God. They asserted this as an unfallen element of the First Father. They said you must know thy self to know God. The demiurge/Samael was allegory for the condition of this world upon the mind and the laws which control this realm.

Answer 1

As a gnostic, because some are so scared that they can't see that far and aren't ready. I agree with everything you stated, I really do and find it refreshing that the knowledge is within our reach. It is what one is capable of doing in the ' minds eye '. Passing the buck or placing blame on something else is convenient and in my opinion, a cop out. One must be responsible for their own actions and choice of words. One can preach all they want and it won't make a difference to another if their mind is NOT open to it, they either don't know how or what they want. And when one does try to explain, the opposite party gets defensive, which I call the thumbs down anger syndrome. LOL. I firmly believe we are capable of anything.
Very thought provoking question on your part and courageous. If you are ever interested in philosophical studies with the extension of gnosis, check my 360 and send me a message, I'd be waiting, only IF you're interested. I thank you for your time and patience.

Answer 2

None of the phrases you utilize can also be something rather than opposites and oxymorons! GNOSTIC: Gnosis is the time period the Greeks in the beginning used to consult “perfect expertise.” One can receive this perfect expertise via divine inside revel in. The revel in refers to having near members of the family with God and filling one’s self with a entire religious realm. So thoroughly incompatible with the phrase atheist! AGNOSTIC – Does no longer consider something can also be realize approximately or proved approximately a god. Thus they may be able to nonetheless consider a god exists. This description definitely suits plenty of Christians! But once more perception within the likelihood of a god is thoroughly incompatible with the phrase atheist! ATHEIST - anybody who does no longer consider in a God – any God – no longer simply the Christian one. But that doesn't imply they don't maintain robust ethical or devout ideals! They can comply with any faith that doesn't have a god and there are plenty of the ones!

Answer 3

Nothing in Plato's Allegory of the Cave implies a diety. There is no possible proof of God (1), whether or not an experience suggests something beyond what physics can explain. Perhaps the Gnostics (and other mystics) make their theistic assumption based in empirical insight, but none can go that far.

Answer 4

Just FYI, not all Atheists believe those things. An atheist believes this: "I don't believe in God." This can be for many reasons- lack of proof, or positive proof there is no God, or lack of evidence, or loss of faith from unanswered prayers, or from being overwhelmed by the great diversity of religions and realizing no one can be right.

I certainly don't say, "if there's a God, he would proclaim himself!" Please. If there is a God, he obviously moves in more mysterious ways than that, and it must be his nature to come out and slap us in the face with proof of his existence. I don't believe because there isn't enough for me to believe in.

Furthermore, saying someone is an Atheist says nothing about their philosophical reasoning. You seem to think that we're incapable of conceptualizing things beyond the realm of the phenomenal ("real") world. Actually, being free from a religion allows me to contemplate all sorts of metaphysical concepts suggested by various religions. Being an atheist doesn't mean I refuse to contemplate spirituality-- quite on the contrary, I'm actively thinking about various metaphysical theories, and it just so happens that at this moment in my quest for the truth, I do not believe in God.

Answer 5

Stephen Henry Roberts (1901-71) once said: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

My question for you- what's with your future as a part of a 2nd century Christian church????? Prospective? Gnostic? Look 'em up. Then maybe you meant to say perspective of a believer. Maybe. Hard to tell with your ramblings.

Answer 6

being an atheist, I can not but agree with your statement that awareness of God is something personal, and God can not be found unless one looks for awareness of God in ones mind. But that is exactly why me, as an atheist, claim that God only exists inside the minds of those who believe in God, and nowhere else. I further claim that God was created by humans, in the human mind, the part that deals with imagination, and that is the only real realm of God.

Answer 7

you don't make sense Atheist don't even follow the the path that you describe or are they bound to the incoherent specious reason that you espouse .we don't refute a thing for it has never existed :you look in the void and create fantasy and call it real or god ,we look into the void and call it a void .
peace out

Answer 8

Yes, I wish everyone did a personal honest self appraisal.

Most who point the finger have never had a real good look in a mirror. Well thought out.

David T

Answer 9

Atheists believe in no gods, and so cannot blame them; it is only their followers, who are unfortunately quite real, who pose a threat.

Answer 10

Wow you don't mean it. OO