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I want to produce a definitive list of single line statements as to what people's arguments are for Gods existence. I don't want anyone arguing against them, just all possible "proofs" of Gods existstence. By God I really mean "a single superior being that watches over us and can affect our lives". I don't want people bickering over this definition either - I'm only stating it like that so people don't give me proof of superior Aliens on a another planet.

Additional rule: Answers must be phrase as an answer not as another question (i.e. "God must exists because how else could ... ?)

I'll get the ball rolling:
1. When you look around the universe, our planet, our body - it's all so intricate there must be a designer
2. When you move back in time to the Big Bang - something must have set that off

2007-01-06 22:36:57 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Ps. I don't want copied and pasted essays - I want one or two lines for each argument that's all. And it would be good if people didn't make the same argument that others have already made. I want this to be a quick way for people asking about God to get the basics. I'm agnostic by the way - but I don't want this to be a debate on that either!

2007-01-06 23:12:30 · update #1

17 answers

Well, you've already covered:

1. "This is all just too complicated for me to understand, therefore God exists"

2. "I don't know how the universe happened, therefore God exists."

There is also:
3. "I can't imagine anything that wasn't caused by something and I hate infinite regressions, therefore God exists."

4. "Ooooo, don't you feel bad about Jesus dying for you?, therefore God exists"

5. "Isn't the world beautiful?, therefore God exists."

6. "Are you really going to chance him being mad at you for not following him?, therefore God exists."

7. "I imagine him talking to me all the time, therefore God exists."

8. "When we go to church and get all worked up, we start to babble and do crazy stuff like we're told to, therefore God exists."

9. "Most of the world believes that a god exists, therefore a god exists."

10. "I know an obscure scientist who said he can prove God exists, and many other scientists have made references to God, therefore God exists."

11. "I read on a website that all the stuff in the Bible is true, therefore God exists."

12. "I want to believe there is God, therefore God exists."
Or 12a. "I have faith that there is a God, therefore God exists."

13. "Don't you really, deep down in your heart, really want to believe that God exists?, therefore God exists."

14. "I can imagine God existing, How could I think about something that's not real?, therefore God exists."

15. "My definition of God is that he's perfect, He wouldn't be perfect if he didn't exist, would he?, therefore God exists."

16. "You can't prove absolutely that God doesn't exist somewhere in this vast universe, therefore God exists."

17. "The Bible says God exists, therefore God exists"

18. "I claim that life cannot create itself, therefore God exists"

19. "I claim God created everything and nothing would exist without him. Stuff exists, therefore God exists."

20. "So many people believe God exists, they can't all be wrong, can they?, therefore God exists"

21. "Just believe he exists, then God will give you evidence to convince you he exists, therefore God exists"

22. "Out of the thousands of prayers I've prayed, a few of them happened sort of the way I wanted, and I attribute the rest to God answering "No", therefore God exists.

23. "Evolution has flaws!, therefore God exists"

24. "I saw the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast, therefore God exists"

(Believe it or not, various people have used each of these arguments in various forms to try to convince me God exists... LOL)

2007-01-06 22:40:50 · answer #1 · answered by nondescript 7 · 3 3

weakness of first two points:
1. who designed the designer
1a. why did the designer make such a bad job, eyes wired backwards, give humans a cecum (appendix) when we don't eat cellulose rich food. if there was a designer then it was working from a limited stock pile having to reuse and adapt what was already available in other animals. hey, doesn't that seem more like evolution.
2. the big bang, does that something have to be god? when scientists are looking back before the big bang, they are no longer looking into a black void, they are looking at shapes in the mist. they can't quiet make out what those shapes are, is it a quantum vacuum fluctuation, is it colliding multi dimensional membranes. none of the shapes in the mist is someone fiddling about creating a universe. ah! bit it's a possibility some people say, yes it is a possibility but if you come across a car that is wrapped around a lamp post you don't assume that the lamp post has jumped out and impacted with the car. the god argument is the jumping lamp post argument, it takes probability into the realms of the ridiculous.

2007-01-06 22:59:11 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 3 2

1. 7 Ages, 7 seasons, 7 little seasons, A Time, Times, Half Time.
2. When the unclean spirit goes out of a man it seeks rest...
3. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness.
4 Those who believe in him (Moses) have eternal life
5. Those who believe in him (Jesus) have everlasting life.
6. Those who believe in him (all others) is not condemned
7, But those who believe not (in God) are condemned already.
8. Lazarus and the rich man, Lazarus dead in the grave 4 days.
9. My heart and soul recognised the Word of God.
10. Daniel's 12:12, 2300 days is written 200300 days
11. 200300 days is exactly 556 years, 4 months, 19 days and 12:01 hours The Lord's Day; Easter Sunday.
13. research who Moses worshipped at Mount Sinai.
14. Research what happened to the decendants of Ham/Cannan

2007-01-13 18:04:04 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

none. How about Douglas Gaskings 'proof':

1. The creation of the world is the most marvelous achievement imaginable.
2. The merit of an achievement is the product of its intrinsic quality, and the ability of its creator.
3. The greater the disability (or handicap) of the creator, the more impressive the achievement.
4. The most formidable handicap for a creator would be non-existence.
5. Therefore if we suppose that the universe is the product of an existent creator we can conceive a greater being - namely, one who created everything whilst not existing.
6. An existing God therefore would not be a being greater than which a greater cannot be conceived because of an even more formidable and incredible creator would be a God which did not exist.
7. Ergo. God does not exist.

LOL

2007-01-06 22:39:36 · answer #4 · answered by gbiaki 2 · 1 2

Look at the flowers bloom in the spring & the tree also bloom in the spring, in the fall they either die or go to sleep, Look at the stars how they hang there so perfect. Look at nature & you will see God's works, Many more could I say, But JOB said 25:7 He strecheth out of the north over the empty place & hangeth the earth upon nothing. And Job 19:25 For I know that my REDEEMER (JESUS) liveth & that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. This is a prophecy about Jesus Christ. To me there is no arguements.

2007-01-06 23:08:24 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

past simularities throughout the world at approximately the same time without the technology to do so. (i.e. architecture, religious laws, cultural phenomenas, science in general, ect. ect.)

supernatuaral things that happen pretty much every day now with no real scientific explanation. i.e. an older woman lifting a car off of people, people cured at masses, lords, ect. of ailments we can dot cure today.

that with all the resources that have tried to prove God wrong; with all the time they've had to do it; it only seems to make the religious side stronger with each passing breakthrough.

prophecies in the Bible have come and passed.

I could go on and on; however you never show your best cards until needed.

2007-01-06 23:01:17 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2 3

Evolution has no intermediate animals showing any transitions. We shouldn't be able to see in a dark brain, A single cell can't just pop up, Particles keep getting smaller and smaller, The Bible Code, The Miracle at Fatima, Out of body experiences, You can see the animals of today in fossils unchanged, like an ant, scorpion or fish, Bigfoot is here and science is hiding him, animals from 300,000,000 years are being caught alive, The Great Pyramid, Billions of hidden miracles the news won't broadcast, Good people and my personal word that He answered me when I said something to Him, at a ruff time in my life, I swear.

2007-01-06 23:09:48 · answer #7 · answered by spir_i_tual 6 · 1 4

yes i agree with you the universe is in a delicate balance scientist said if one of the laws of nature were off by a hair it would be total chaos

2007-01-06 23:23:43 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

well i believe there is a god but i dont believe in a 'single superior being that watches over us and can affect our lives'.
i believe god exists bcoz i feel it. maybe i m wrong and maybe it is just a way to make myself feel better, i dont mind it..i just believe there is sumthing bigger then us out there. wot it is i dont know ..m still searching for the truth..

PS:sorry for deviating frm ur rules though

2007-01-06 23:13:45 · answer #9 · answered by danny's mom 3 · 1 3

John Locke said, “...from the consideration of ourselves, and what we infallibly find in our constitution, our reason leads us to the knowledge of this certain and evident truth -- That there is an eternal, most powerful, and most knowing being.”

God is spirit. He cannot be seen. If you were to examine all the creatures, the CREATOR has made a pattern emerges: angels and demons are intellectual creatures without a body; plants and animals do not have an intellect but a body and mortal soul. IT IS ONLY LIVING, HUMAN, BEINGS, that have a MIND, BODY, and SOUL. Only human beings have all three. Now, living, human, being is the existence of man. Those words describe the essence of man's mind, body, and soul. The Body is living, the Mind makes us human and distinguishing us from animals, and our Soul makes us the being that we become (good or evil).

Now, even Muslims will agree Allah is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing), and omnipresent (ever present). These words describe the existence of God. So, what is the essence of God? I will hold off answering this question till the end.

Now, if you think about the existence of a person they have a triple existence: physical (body), mental (mind), and spiritual (eternal soul). In fact, whenever we create something it has all three of these parts. When we cook we have a recipe (in our mind), we gather all the raw ingredients, and we cook (don't burn it, ha ha) what it is we are making. Cooking has the physical, mental, and spiritual parts. Same with engineering or technology it has three parts: the blueprints (to convey an idea), the raw materials (physical), and the workmanship (spiritual). If something goes wrong investigators will look for a design flaw, material flaw, or faulty workmanship. THIS DEMONSTRATES CREATION HAS THREE PARTS LIKE THE CREATOR.

Now, in the Bible it says Jesus is the visible likeness of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15) The ESSENCE OF GOD IS: Father (mental), Son (physical), Holy Ghost (spiritual). ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE JUST LIKE A PERSON. THREE PARTS ONE PERSON. When you are sick you send for a doctor; when you are mentally troubled, a psychiatrist; when spiritually seeking you seek out a holy person.


The following evidence comes from THE GREAT BOOKS OF THE WESTERN WORLD vol. 2 & 19. St. Thomas Aquinas said:

ARTICLE 2. Whether It Can Be Demonstrated That God Exists?
I Answer that, Demonstration can be made in two ways. One is through the cause, and... The other is through the effect... When an effect is better known to us than its cause, from the effect we proceed to the knowledge of the cause. And from every effect the existence of its proper cause can be demonstrated, so long as its effects are better known to us, because since every effect depends upon its cause, if the effect exists, the cause must pre-exist. Hence the existence of God, in so far as it is not self-evident to us, can be demonstrated from those of His effects which are known to us.

ARTICLE 3. Whether God Exists?
I answer that, The existence of God can be proved in five ways.

The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion.... [Newton’s second law of motion] whatever is moved must be moved by another. If that by which it is moved be itself moved, then this also must be moved by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover, seeing that subsequent movers move only because as they are moved by the first mover... Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover which is moved by no other. And this everyone understands to be God.

The second way is from the notion of efficient cause.... There is no case known (nor indeed, is it possible) in which a thing is found to be the efficient cause of itself, because in that case it would be prior to itself, which is impossible.... Now to take away the cause is to take away the effect.... Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.

The third way is taken from possibility and necessity... [or] to be or not to be. ...If everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. [FACT: Matter can not be destroyed nor created; at most it changes form i.e. solid, liquid, gas. Physical Law: the first law of Thermodynamics.] Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence -- which is clearly false. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary.... Therefore we must admit the existence of some being having of itself its own necessity, and not receiving it from another, but rather causing in others their necessity. This all men speak of as God.

The fourth way is taken from the gradation to be found in things. Among beings there are some more and some less good, true, noble, and the like. But “more” and “less” are predicated of different things [like a match in comparison to the sun]... Therefore there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being [a Supreme Being], goodness, and every other perfection. And this we call God.

The fifth way is taken from the governance of things. We see that things which lack knowledge, such as natural bodies, act for an end... Hence it is plain that they achieve their end not by chance, but by design. Now whatever lacks knowledge cannot move towards an end, unless it be directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence, as the arrow is directed by the archer. Therefore some intelligent being exists by whom all natural things are ordered to their end; and this being we call God.

2007-01-06 22:58:29 · answer #10 · answered by Search4truth 4 · 1 5

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