Did Jesus say everything John says he said?
John 14:9 Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life.
John 8:12 I am the light of the world.
John 8:58 Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:7 I am the door of the sheep.
John 11:25 I am the resurrection, and the life.
John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life.
John 15:1 I am the true vine.
Christian scholars tell us that if Jesus had made all these fantastic claims about himself, the first three gospels would surely have recorded them. Mark was written around 70 C.E., followed by Matthew and Luke somewhere between 80-90 C.E. John, written around 100 C.E., was the last of the four canonized gospels. The Christian scholar James Dunn writes in his book The Evidence for Jesus:
2007-01-05
16:28:25
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"If they were part of the original words of Jesus himself, how could it be that only John picked them up and none of the others? Call it scholarly skepticism if you like, but I find it almost incredible that such sayings should have been neglected had they been known as a
feature of Jesus' teaching. If the 'I ams' had been part of the original tradition, it is very hard indeed to explain why none of the other three evangelists made use of them." (The Evidence for Jesus, p.36)
Similarly, the New American Bible tells us in its introduction, under the heading How to Read Your Bible: >
"It is difficult to know whether the words or sayings attributed to Jesus are written exactly as he spoke them. . . . The Church was so firmly convinced that . . . Jesus . . . taught through her, that she expressed her teaching in the form of Jesus' sayings." (St. Joseph Medium Size Edition, p.23)
2007-01-05
16:28:47 ·
update #1
What we have in John, then is what people were saying about Jesus at the time John was written (about 70 years after Jesus was raised up).
The writer of John simply expressed those ideas as if Jesus had said them. Rev. James Dunn says further in his book that, almost certainly, the writer of the fourth gospel "was not concerned with the sort of questions which trouble some Christians today -- Did Jesus actually say this? Did he use these precise words? and so on." (The Evidence
for Jesus, p. 43)
2007-01-05
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I am sorry, I thought since they were inspired by the Holy Spirit, they wrote from God's perspective. Just because they wrote from different perspectives doesn't they should have omitted such a huge thing. That is a really bad answer. How come they missed it? They all lived with Jesus(pbuh).
2007-01-05
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Christian scholars wonder why the others did not write such an important part of the faith.
2007-01-05
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he didn't have a lot of time to write about stuff during his life he was a bussy man thats why he had 12 desiples -1 they wittnessed his deeds.
2007-01-05 16:31:33
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answered by Anonymous
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John was about 90 or 100 when he wrote his Gospel.He was undoubtedly familiar with the other three accounts of Jesus' earthly life and ministry,also the Acts of the Apostles and the letters written by Paul ,Peter,James and Jude.He had had opportunity to see Christian doctrine fully revealed and had seen the effects of its preaching to all nations.He had also seen the beginning of 'the man of lawlessness'(2Th2:3)He had witnessed many of Jesus prophecies already fulfilled,notabley the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of that Jewish system of things.
John,inspired by Holy Spirit,was selective in the events he chose to chronicle,because,as he says:"To be sure,Jesus performed many other signs also before the disciples,which are not written down in this scroll" and, "There are,in fact,many other things also which Jesus did,which,if ever they were written in full detail,I suppose the world itself could not contain the scrolls written"-Joh.20:30;21:25.
With these things in mind,John states his purpose for wirting the account he was led by inspiration to write,in which he repeated little that had been written before:"But these have been written down that you may beleive that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God,and that,because of believing ,you may have life by means of his name - Joh.20:31.
His Gospel is a valuable addition to the Bible canon as the actual eyewitness evidence from the last living apostle of Jesus Christ.
2007-01-05 16:51:32
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answered by lillie 6
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I would think if each Gospel writer wrote the same thing ,that would smack of collusion.I think these guys wrote the things they heard at different times.Such as, John was around Jesus way before He called Matthew.Matthew may not of heard the same teachings as John at times.Such as ,John is the only one who records the reason(John Ch.2)that Jesus says"Tear down this temple and I will raise it up in 3 days"
Yet,Matthew records at Jesus' trial these words being used against Him.If you didn't have John's you wouldn't get what they were talking about.Get it?
Mark was written more around 45 AD(most say it is Peter's recollections told to Mark who was a teen at the time)the rest following.Besides each Gospel was guided by God to portray Jesus in a certain light.
1.Matthew portrays Him as the King of the Jews,the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.
2.Mark portrays him as the suffering servant,a man of action.There are more "ands" than any other.."Jesus did this and he did that then he went here and..and ..and.Written for the Roman mind,who could care less abut his Jewish ancestry.They wanted to know what he did.
3.Luke portrays Him as the perfect man,to the Greek mind.They were always looking for perfection.
4.John is the most spiritual.Written for the wretched man,the man of the Orient who needs a Savior.The Son of God.
It's impossible not to be the hand of God .
2007-01-05 16:46:44
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answered by AngelsFan 6
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Each of the Gospel writers wrote from different percpectives. Often times recording what was said. There were also other transcriptionists present to make sure of what was said and done.
The biblical account is Evidenced by Roman History of the time and other cultures who recorded thier own history. Others that wrote about it from a non -.Christian perspective were Josephus, Julius Ceasar, Nero,Hadrian, Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Phlegon, Julius Africanus, and Origen.. A Greek named Lucian wrote about the Christians and was a satyrist. Other writings are found in Egypt, Babylon, Syria and Greece. Those are the major civilizations of the Modern world that wrote about people found in both Old and New Testaments.
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2007-01-05 16:35:06
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answered by Anonymous
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If you told four people to go and take a picture of the St. Louis Arch, you would have four different perspectives of the same Arch.
This is how it is with the four gospels. Matthew wrote of Jesus The King. Mark wrote of Jesus the servant. Luke wrote of Jesus the man. John wrote of Jesus The God.
(This isn't original, I heard it on Church Swindoll today)
2007-01-05 16:35:04
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answered by nancy jo 5
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In reading your question, comments, it appears you have answered it quite well. Inspired, humans wrote through their own perspectives/experiences what they believe had happened. They wrote w/ different understandings of what Jesus said that would be understandable for the different audiences.
To write under another's name was author de jour in those days so it is not a surprise that John would explain Jesus his way w words in Jesus mouth. 2 Peter is almost certainly the same.
2007-01-05 17:43:11
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answered by Anonymous
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Psalms Wasn't the unique Authoring Of That Line...while Jesus Christ grew to become into on the pass..demise...He Spoke To His Father, Asking Him this question. i've got faith It grew to become into His genuine worry Of demise...Cuz He Had merely asked His Father To Forgive All people who Crucified Him..And yet...He grew to become into Slowly demise....(open to interpretation)
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answered by duchane 4
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Every person perceives events differently than another person. If you or I had witnessed an accident, we may have concentrated on certain events and recalled them in a different manner or importance from each other.
2007-01-05 16:45:09
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answered by paulsamuel33 4
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I wonder why Jesus never wrote anything himself. It is all hearsay. (bbhhh)
2007-01-05 16:32:14
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answered by Anonymous
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