Why are some atheists so irrational as to be judgmental?

Question

Crime is never against nature, it exists within nature. So why do some atheists judge criminals, hate murderers...to be intellectually honest, it does not make sense to hate someone for being a slave to circumstance. Sure you can't want them to suffer because it pleases the reward and punishment part of our brains but to hate means to think you are above. Sequential order of events led to whatever vicious crime a man commits. Why hate a man for his luck?

Punishment is not irrational. Hate is irrational.

Accountability is what makes some atheists irrational.

You are not a criminal because you didn't have the life of a criminal.

Answer 1

One of the primary functions of rational thinking is to provide one with a sound basis for judgment. I have applied this to at least a few parts of your question and I have decided to dismiss those portions as "perfect examples" of irrational thinking.

"Luck," for example, is a term applied to trials taken without using ones rational abilities to judge the probability of a particular trial. You might just as well say that "trusting to luck" is an equal to "acting blindly"... It is an irrational behavior.

As to your statements of hate: I can only guess that since hate is such a fleeting emotion that those who may have chosen to speak hatefully or who claimed to hate were, perhaps, temporarily in illogical or emotional states at the time they responded - that they may have overstated their cases by referencing too much of their emotional selves above their rational selves.

Of an additional line of defense of "some atheists," however, I might add that for whatever specific citations you may be implying, (and I have no idea what your specific beef is,) that it may be you who is judging poorly - after all, it has been you who generalizes a question against atheists, (some atheists,) as if we, (all the rest of mankind) were of one mind and that we would all know each others minds, including those of "some atheists".... How irrational is that? How could we possibly assume to know the "why" of what motivates "some"?

I won't be shy about saying that I think your question includes a false statement within it's premise ..and one which is somewhat ludicrous... "Crime is never against nature..." Crime, as I understand it, is a moral issue of man and not a law of nature. I don't see how you could mistaken this but you apparently have... Additionally, applying even this misconstrued thinking to your question, " So why do some... ...hate murders... [?]" seems to be a ridiculous mismatch of concepts - just what do you think "crime" and "nature" and "atheists" and "hating murderers" all have to do with one another that any responder, like myself, might be able to reasonably piece together?

I don't mind telling you that I think your question stinks of bias. (...and I have little doubt that you will likely believe the same of my answer... although I will assure you that this isn't the case at all.)

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Answer 2

"Why are some atheists so irrational as to be judgmental?" - because they are human. The same reason all human beings can, at times, behave in a way others see as irrational--you know, like the Christians who are so adamant that all life is precious, they are willing to bomb abortion clinics.

I don't hate anyone. I agree, also, that most "bad" behavior results from the perpetrator's life, circumstances, brain chemistry, what have you. Does that mean that criminals cannot or should not be in some way punished by society? Absolutely not. Morality is a social construct; if a person exists within a society, he is agreeing to follow the moral standards of that society. By violating the rules, the person has put him/herself in a position where the group must--by way of preserving social order--punish him or her. It is not a matter of pride for the group--it is a matter of survival.

Answer 3

Judging is far from irrational, if anything to not judge would be wholey irrational. Judging, ultimately is a function to protect one's self from what one fears. Whether those fears are rational or not is subject to debate, but judging is an important part of self preservation. To claim that one's problems are based upon external events is somewhat deterministic by nature, I mean can't they chose not to do these things just fine? Doesn't that kind of justification make it too easy for them not to blame themselves for their actions? If someone murdered someone close to you would "Well, I was hungry..." be a valid response?

I can't see how anyone could say that crimes someone commits aren't their fault regardless of circumstances, unless they're saying free will is an illusion and they would commit the same crime regardless, and as there is a scientific basis for this, it makes some sense. But at the same time, by that logic one that is predisposed to judge, is going to judge no matter what.

Judging shouldn't be based on action with complete disregard to circumstance, no, but it almost never takes place as such. People don't get blamed for killing when they kill an enemy combatant on a battle field for example, as circumstance and some degree of leeway are built into our society's judging. But to say circumstances are the only reason crime is comitted isn't being intellectually honest. Like Satre, I'd say that men are inescapably free, and circumstances more often than not, are simply excuses. One can chose whether to commit crimes or not, even in the most extreme circumstances.

Answer 4

You think it isn't part of nature to punish offenders? Tell that to the little dog that tries to eat before the big male. Tell that to an ape the tries to mate with the alpha-male's mates. Punishment for bad behavior is part of nature. Criminal's deserve punishment. No matter why they commit their crimes.

And people always seem to have better luck when they live their life appropriately. In America if you work hard and don't do the things that you aren't supposed to, the odds are astoundingly in favor. Act like an idiot, and they are really against you.

Answer 5

Slave to circumstance? Most criminals know crime is illegal in a civilized society, they even know it in hunter-gatherer groups (they would be ostracized by the group for what we call a crime). "Crime" does occur in nature, but as humans we evolved a brain and as such can decide when to act with or against instictive urges. If we went around committing acts of selfishness all of the time, civilized society would descend into chaos and anarchy, it would turn back into the natural world which we evolved out of. Humans are generally moral because we have a better chance of surviving by sticking together and cooperating than by acting alone as selfish individuals. Morals are not set as standards by religion, religion gets its morals from the needs of society.

Criminals must be punished and removed from society, whether temporarily or not, to protect society and ensure the criminal takes responsibility for their actions. If that's what you call judging, don't gripe about, it's necessary to maintain civilized life.

Answer 6

So what you are saying is, is that, if my family were to be murdered, it would just be bad luck???? and I should not hate the individual who did this effed up act of violence??? Nature itself is neither bad nor good, it just is. Really, where and what is your rationality. And yes, I am above a criminal...believe it.

Edit:
Well at least you changed it to 'some' Atheists, you do realize of course, that there are 'some' bad religious folk too? Don't you?

Answer 7

Matthew 7 : 1

Answer 8

You're just making stuff up. I don't know any atheists that fit your description.

Quite the contrary, atheists are much more likely to hold someone (including themselves) to account for their own actions. That's why there are something like 50x fewer of us per capita in prisons than there are religious people.

Answer 9

just like crime is part of nature so is hate. hating and judging people are part of the natural order of things also just as murder or theft is.

Answer 10

Hating people is a waste of time and energy.

Those who violate the right of others should be violated right back, fast and hard.