What proof would you accept, if i were to prove that god does not exist?

Question

Any scientific theory has a backdoor to proove its wrong, untill then its valid. Especially...Would it suffice to prove all the 'holy books' are full of lies?

Any lie adds up in the end to pain. I would like to save all those lost souls and this world from further pain. So even if 'god' shouted in your ears..."stop it, i don't exist", you wouldnt accept?
All the religious books do matter, because they are the source of all the concepts about life and god and the arguments pro gods existence.
Like if i said god is a woman, it's a lie, because woman was, according to the books, made from man.

Answer 1

pretty mutch any proof. I am sorry but the "holey book" is after all just paper with ink splattered all over it. After ley lines were discovered and the theory of evolution was validated, we pretty much already disproved god, but christians, ,jews, and muslums just don't want to acept proven facts.

Answer 2

To call it a back door is wrong. To be falsifiable means that you can say if this theory is true something should not happen or that if the theory is false then something else happening would negate it. For over 200 years every prediction of Newton was right. But learning about light and black box radiation put it into crisis. Newtons theory no longer worked. Einsteins theory did. It made predictions that were contrary to Newtons theory and testing in experiments showed Einstein right and Newton wrong. It has been almost a hundred years of Einstein. If you can find a problem and come up with a better theory then do it. God unfortunately can just cheat, and is not falsifiable. Unprovable, untestable, gives no predictions(?) that are testable and is thus unprovable. God is, in essence, an Invisible Pink Unicorn. A Bertrand Russel Teapot orbiting the Sun. etc.
The first answer is the best of the short answers and better than almost all the long answers. You should choose it, think about it and hold it in the back of your mind when ever you here somebody pronouncing the "truth"!

Answer 3

Any scientific theory is just that--a theory. What makes you think it's valid until proven wrong? That's not scientific. Educated people used to believe the world was flat. It was wrong even before it was proven wrong.

If you COULD prove all the holy books are full of lies you would be the most brilliant man/woman who ever lived on this earth. No one has ever done that. So by your own reasoning the holy books are valid.

Added;
There are two things the Bible says God cannot do: He cannot lie or be tempted with evil.

Answer 4

Would the holy books being full of lies prove God doesn't exist?

I think the strongest argument one can make against the existence of God lies in the contradictory nature of omnipotence. Because some actions are in direct opposition to each other, it would be impossible for somebody to be capable of doing anything. The classic example is 'Can God create a rock he can't lift?' Regardless of the answer, it would effectively disqualify him from omnipotence.

However - as I've said before, we are asking the wrong question. Rather than ask if an omnipotent God exists, we should be asking if there are entities out there who would seem god-like to us.

Answer 5

you can't prove it. that is why people still believe. what i wonder is how you can be so sure that there is no God. as far as the books go, i would think that such a logical and scientific man would realise that they were written by men, not God. what most of you non believers don't realise is that faith comes from within. it's a feeling not something you read in a book. besides, no one knows exactly who or what God is. not all of us follow our religious leaders like blind sheep either. believe it or not some Christians have an actual brain and they even use it from time to time.

Answer 6

amazing. I really don't get how some people look at things...

Scientific assertions must be disprovable. there must be a condition for it to be conceptually able to be proven wrong.

Religious and spiritual assertions are *NOT* bound by this in the same manner. in my opinion, the metaphysical world in fact *COULD* be tested, to an extent, with the spirit/principle of the scientific method. BUT it would take a variety of adaptations in the APPLICATION of it.

think of it this way... how would you adapt scientific testing, for example, if, say you were testing something relevant to color and light and such. but say, 45% the people involved, had some color vision defect or variation, like some degree of color blindness or distortion. a quarter have been born entirely blind, and only a quarter having perfect, 100% vision (as we know it) and 5% having super-color vision, higher acuity and perceptive range than the norm.

how would you compensate, for the lack of uniformity in the perceptive capacity of the people involved?

what if the testing was relevant to the actual concept of what a color LOOKS like, not merely that a variable detail on the light waves is percievable, but what you see when you look at something with that color. you might still be able to test it, but you'd have to compensate for the perceptive non-uniformity.

Answer 7

I would say no, that's not enough. I am not religious, but I believe in a higher power of some sort. Proving the holy books completely false would not change my feeling, because I do not base it upon them. I think the Bible is not a bad book, but a fictional writing used to teach and establish morals to society. Similar to Grimm's fairy tales, how each one has a lesson to be learned.

Answer 8

Science works on the principle of falsification. Therefore your question is invalid. You can neither prove or disprove god's existence. No one has the same vision of god. It is simply a matter of faith.

As far as the holy text being full of lies. Check yourself. They are not lies. They are stories written to be example that reinforce expected social standards. It doesn't matter if they are true or not. Jesus didn't have to live to make his lessons important.

Answer 9

Wow you seem to care about people believing in a God whether there is one or not. I really don't care if you give some type of answer that seems logical to you and others. Even if there is no God I would like to live the way I want to. So no I don't care if you explain to the "believers" of God that there is no such thing.

Answer 10

Get A Grip’s answer is right, and usually honest for a Christian – if, indeed he or she is one. There is no proof you could provide.

First, God’s existence cannot be investigated scientifically because it is not a legitimate hypothesis. Supernatural explanations are not a part of science and cannot be included in any set of possible solutions. As such, it is not subject to scientific standards of validation / falsification.

Second, there is no proof you can provide because most, but especially conservative, Christians have no interest in truth, honesty, or even investigating the issue. They do not recognize or acknowledge a distinction between ‘belief’ and ‘knowledge’. They have no interest in truth or honesty, Truth is whatever they say it is, and they claim to be honest because they are so certain in the truth of their beliefs, they cannot even conceive of them all being based on lies and superstition.

That would be fine except for their determined intentions to force their beliefs and lifestyle on the rest of the human race – through intimidation and violence if necessary (they prefer the violence because they worship a hateful rape-torture-kill God) and if they did not try to destroy science and learning by insisting on the scientific and empirical legitimacy of their doctrine.

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hope4hmnt... –

Scientists understand faith. That is why they never try to address matters of faith and never try to impose their epistemology on people of faith.

Conversely, religious conservatives relentlessly attack science; and because they lack any evidence, they attempt to redefine ‘science’ in public discourse so that it includes their faith-based issues. Their fundamental goal, therefore, is the corruption and falsification of truth for the purpose of advancing their own agendas. It really does not seem like the ‘Christian’ thing to do, but they believe that it is acceptable to lie and live a life of dishonesty if it furthers their cause.

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Thomas R -

Jesus must be especially proud of your violent and hateful representation of him. You had better start praying that there is no heaven, because if there is one - your attitude will certainly not be welcomed.

Answer 11

It is not possible to convince everyone to believe in one single truth. As there are six people people, there are six billion religions. We all believe in different ways and in different levels.

That said, no, there is no one way to convince everyone that the universe is godless. I am sure there is a way for you to convince me that the universe is godless, but for my own happiness, please keep it to yourself.

Showing one fault in any holy book does not invalidate the entire book. Most puerile minds believe that a single invalidation "proves" the invalidity of an entire source.

The best question for you to ask is "What do I believe?"

If you can answer that question before you die, you will have succeeded where a great many others have failed.