Are the Fundies taking over militarily?

Question

See this article:
http://www.alternet.org/story/46211/

It's clear from this article, that the Fundies are trying to take over our government by military force and replace our secular democracy with hierocracy (rule by priests). Seems like that's one of the things our founders fought the Revolution against. Does this alarm anyone besides me? What can we do to stop them and defend our country?

I think people are misunderstanding my question. I'm specifically asking Blackwater, this paramilitary Fundamentalist group that has been hired by our government. They indiscriminently killed innocent Iraqi civilians. They were also given post-Katrina New Orleans to patrol. Yet, they are unfettered by our Constitution.

I'm NOT talking about the legitimate military. Responders seem to assume I'm some sort of pacifist. I'm all for defense. But, responders seem to be missing my point entirely. Blackwater certainly sounds dangerous and alarming to me. What if they start gunning for non-Christians or coming up with bogus reasons to arrest people just for being non-Christian? If you look at history, this is pretty much how the Nazis started, folks:small but then they snowballed until no one could stop them. I'd like to know whether other people are worried about Fundamentalist paramilitary groups getting being employed by our government.

Answer 1

I'm surprised that the other people answering this question don't seem to have read the article you referenced, since your question cannot be understood without it.

The goal of the militant Christian movement is to convert the entire world--by force, if necessary--to their particular brand of religion. Converting the United States of America is one step in the process of evangelizing the world.

I should know--I used to be a militant Christian myself.

I grew up in Alabama, in a milieu where it was more-or-less taken for granted that hard-line, militant born-again Christianity was the one, true, right, and only way. We didn't call ourselves fundamentalists--we just called ourselves "true Christians", with the understanding that all of those other people calling themselves Christians were not real Christians at all, but misguided, weak-minded pawns of the Devil. We viewed them as spiritually weak and wishy-washy.

We saw such minor things as the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States as irrelevant to us, because these were man-made laws and therefore inherently flawed. The United States of America was God's chosen country, which had become overrun with faithless pawns of the Devil, and as true Christians we had a duty to fight and win it for Jesus by any means necessary.

We understood that the fight would be hard, because the Devil would back evil in all its forms. One of the most insidious forms of evil was the so-called "good" person who was not, however, a true Christian. In fact, these people were not "good" at all, even though they believed they were, because they were under Satan's spell. They might appear to be good, but they could not be. True good could only be done by God's people--us--and anything that looked good, but had come from unbelievers, was part of Satan's deception, part of his attempt to lure people into thinking it was possible to be good without being a true Christian.

Non-believers were not neutral parties: they were actively dangerous, because they worked for the Devil--influencing people not to become born again, unwittingly helping the Devil deceive people into believing that it was possible to be good while still being something other than a true Christian. After all, Jesus Himself had said: "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters." (Matthew 12:30)

We understood that we would encounter a lot of opposition in our work of taking over the government: Satan's pawns would try to prevent us from being successful. We understood that, therefore, much of this work would have to be very discreet--even secretive--infiltrating the government on God's behalf, really.

The Devil's agenda of deception included lots of things that might sound nice, but were in fact wicked: Communism, welfare, racial intermarriage, and so-called "diversity". We saw "diversity" as a code word for suppression of evangelism, preventing people's conversion to true Christianity--and therefore as an attack on God's mission.

We worked actively to recruit everyone, but especially children (because they were more malleable, less habituated to the Devil's deceptions) and those in positions of public influence (police, public officials, etc.)--and especially the military, so that the military would do God's will. Naturally, this would include such things as killing unbelievers, since unbelievers were, as I explained above, actively working for the Devil whether they knew it or not. One goal was to convert the entire U.S. government, so that America would become a 100% true Christian nation. Once that was achieved, America would be invincible, and would pursue God's mission of converting the whole world--by force, if necessary; by extermination, if necessary.

All of this, we believed, was part of God's plan, which would culminate in Armageddon, the final battle between Good and Evil, which God (with our help) would win. Then all the non-believers would be swallowed up into Hell, and the Millenium would begin: a period of Heaven on Earth, populated exclusively by true Christians.

It is largely this mindset that motivates the religious fanatics who are working to take over the government. I know this, because I have been there, inside the movement, working toward these very goals. Like my fellow "True Christians" (so-called), I believed that everyone should be given the chance to convert voluntarily--but that those who would not convert should be killed for the good of the cause. In love, of course: Love the sinner, but hate the sin and no mercy to unbelievers.

To these people, every thought, every word, every action, however small, is part of the ongoing battle between Good and Evil.

Correct, they are working to take over the government.
Correct, they have no regard for the Constitution.
Correct, they are * very * dangerous. They do not feel that they are, in the end, answerable to human law.

You find it frightening that the U.S. Government is hiring the Christian fanatic militia, in the guise of Blackwater Security Company, to fight in Iraq and to keep the streets in post-Katrina New Orleans? You find it frightening that the religious fanatics have great influence in (and in some cases have taken over) police and military circles?

You should. I do, too.

The article you referenced, about the religious fanatics' project to infiltrate the military, the police, and the government, discusses only the tip of the iceberg.

I know from my own experience.

Answer 2

actually, this shouldn't shock anyone who knows anything about the demographics of the military. Statistically, more military are from the South, Bible belt country. I live in the South, married to a minister who is the son of military, and I am terrified of saying anything against the war for fear of my husband's job. people where I come from are staunch military supporters. (I myself support the military, just not the war.)

Read some of Focus on the Family's literature on the military for a fundie viewpoint. They oppose women in the military, etc. Very fundamentalist. Not surprised in the least bit by this article, and already knew most of it. And yes, that is something I hadn't thought of: fundamentalists DO want a theocracy, though they would never put it in those words

Answer 3

It does not. the closest element is this verse: Exodus 21:22-25. "If adult adult males try, and harm a woman with infant, so as that her fruit go away from her, and yet no mischief stick to: he would be somewhat punished in accordance with the aid of fact the female's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay with the aid of fact the judges be sure. And if any mischief stick to, then thou shalt provide life for all times, Eye for eye, the teeth for the teeth . . ." In different words, if everybody is scuffling with and harm a pregnant female, and he or she miscarries, yet no different harm effects, then the guy responsible ought to pay with the aid of fact the judges be sure. The miscarriage isn't given a similar criminal status as a infant or an person in this verse, and apart from, it somewhat is possibly a needed being pregnant, and subsequently no longer likely perfect to situations the place ladies actively seek for to terminate the being pregnant.

Answer 4

I tried to answer your question with a reference to the 2nd amendment concerning the militia vs what we have now which is an all volunteer Army making them more or less a mercenary army. One of the things the 2nd amendment was meant to address when it stated that all Abie bodied males eighteen or older were in the militia meaning citizen soldiers not professional mercenaries.
It also states no American soldier fight out side the country i.e. in a war unless war was declared. And it gave only Congress the right to declare war not the President. It also states that no American soldier be placed under the command of a foreign officer. i.e. such as U.N.
In that context the Marine Corps was set up as the President's personal police force to enable him to take action such as against the pirates in Tripoli without having to go through Congress since they were his personal police force and as such not subject to the provision of war having to be declared before he could send them in.
The problem with the all volunteer army is that is not what the framers of the Constitution intended. They intended a small cadre career officers and enlisted men but the bulk of the army formed of citizen soldiers. i.e. the militia not professional soldiers.

Answer 5

Demand Satanic Church mass on the same days as regular mass. Demand Pagan drum circle and circle casting practices. Demand equal opportunity.

I did when I was in the miltary. It didn't work when I was alone.

I got 20 Wiccans, Atheists, Satanists and Shamans together and spoke directly to the captain. Yeah, that one worked.

Answer 6

do you not know what a chaplain is. Half of them being from conservtive churches sounds like about the right percentage to reflect the population. You are really reaching to prove a false point. Did the propaganda boogey man get you and ream out your ears. Try using some experience to base your opinions on. Do you know any fundamentalist people who are trying to take anything over??

You want a conspiracy to work on try the Masons, Skull and Bones, and for certain check out what the Jewish and Swiss bankers have been doing since about the last 800 years, some of whom were likely ex communicated Christians from the Templars. They are not trying to control your Government they are pretty much in control and they are not going to give it to a Christian group. .

Answer 7

If the fundies are taking over, its being done by a small powerful group. The pat robertsons and such, who I, as a beleiver in Christ, do not put any clout into. If that is the future then it is part of prophecy.

Answer 8

well i think the military has always been full of religious people. judeo-christian people that is.

they find the idea of laying down your life, for people who are constantly watching you, a noble and romantic idea.

Answer 9

Wishful thinking. Contradiction in terms.