Pretend there is no such thing as religion, and decide whether or not you support Israel.?

Question

pretend there is no such thing as "right to return" or solomon's temple; would that change youre mind about Israel's human rights record and the way it was created?
note: A large portion of the Orthodox Jewish community does not recognize the state as being legit. because the messiah is the one who is supposed to form the state.

People claim that Israel has a right to exist and back then (be created) b/c of two big reasons:

1. They were promised the land by Yahweh/God
2. The Holocaust.

first of all, say there is no such thing as religion, and the first claim is invalid.

secondly, its not the Arabs/Semites who took part in the Holocaust, it was "Aryans". Therefore, since the West thought the Jews should have a home, the west should have given the Jews a home in the USA, not in Palestine; in which thousands of people would be displaced, and thousands of homes demolished, and thousands of people angry, and thousands of children crying and dying.

rev. art; i think you should analyze ur source before u speak, b/c what YOU think you know is not so.....

jewishgirl, ur right about israel being established by zionists, but guess what, it seems to me that every jew who criticizes israel's treatment of palestinians is called a "self-hating" jew. That is sickening. Jews like Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodman are called self-hating jews simply because they dont see the difference between the wrong and the wrong. I dont know much about pakistan/india so i cant comment on them. But, till the day i die, i will always feel that israel had no right to be established the way it was; over existing people's lives. The moors once ruled spain, does that mean they have the right to invade spain and kick every damn person out of the land??? i dont think so...plz tell me why its ok for jews to put palestinians under an apartheid system in israel and treat them worse than dogs, and all the while, the usa and united nations practices the most biased policy towards the region (pro-israel all the way)?!!

as for arabs taking part in the holocaust, i say this; why and how is it that jews flourished in arab lands, while in europe, they got butchered???? why is it that indigenous jews living in palestine opposed the creation of a jewish state over an existing palestine?

Answer 1

I don't support them, religion or otherwise. A quick glance at the UN Security Council resolutions should settle the matter. Unfortunately, the 27 million dispensationalists in this country disagree...

Answer 2

Chicken or Egg analysis... If there were no religions the Jews would not have been singled out for discrimination, ostracism and genocide throughout the centuries.

I am an atheist. To me the Torah is just another out-of-date, inadequate compendium of texts making outrageous claims, the greatest of which is that it came from God's lips to the Rabbis ears. To me the Torah, the Christian Bible and the Qu'ran are among the most hate-filled, dangerous books the world has ever known. However, absent religion, would we not have many of the same tribal, ethnic and racial animosities? Would the Jews, the Gypsies, the Sikhs, the Armenians, the Kurds and indigenous peoples of the Americas and the world over not still be deprived of homelands over the centuries?

I support the right of the State of Israel to exist and I support unconditionally her right to defend herself from the enemies that surround her.

Answer 3

the state of israel has very little to do with religion. zionism wasn't even founded by religious jews, it was founded by secular/atheistic jews who got tired of being discriminated against because of a religion they barely even practiced. they figured the only way jews would ever escape antisemitism was to create a country in which the majority population was jewish. israel was just the logical choice. it all had nothing to do with biblical promises or covenants.

besides, i'm not sure why you are focussing specifically on israel. only the year before israel was created, the british created pakistan by taking land from india and giving it to muslims who did not like living under nonmuslim rule. millions and millions more hindus were murdered and displaced because of it than palestinians because of israel. where is the outcry about that? the situation is the same, except that in israel's case the land was given to jews and eeeeeverybody knows that people like to hate jews for things they find perfectly acceptable when other people do it.

and, yes, the arabs in the middle east had a LOT to do with the holocaust. where's your history? there are countless photos of middle eastern leaders getting cozy with hitler and praising him for all of the good things he was doing with regards to the jews. it was because of middle eastern arab pressure that the UN forbade the immigration of any more jews to israel in 1939, "coincedentally" right before the start of the war, thereby stranding millions of jews on a continent that was trying to kill them all. ya think that was an accident on anybody's part?

Answer 4

I do not support Israel, Israel existence have very little to do with religion,it has a lot to do with politics,power,weapons, vito,.............,so I think that religion is just an execuse for what they are doing,or else anyone would claim any thing without proof.
note that up till now there is no evidence for the Solomon's temole despite all the search.

Answer 5

As far as I'm concerned, I'm sick of the whole ordeal. Both sides have so much bad blood between one another that the fighting isn't likely to stop any time soon. So, we'll keep seeing tit-for-tat violence until one side eventually eradicates the other.

Answer 6

a valuable question does deserve a much more valuable answer?, I'm a simple servant of God, so, I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge, I will said you are alright and I need to recognize yes I would have change my mind, simple because I find it very hard to invent mi own religion a/o the step to find my own religion within my heart, and within creation, and within everything I see been create by the Lord God. .

Answer 7

If there was no such thing as religion, then there wouldn't be as big of a problem in the Middle East.

Answer 8

Nope

Answer 9

I have also heard that about the orthodox jews.

Answer 10

I will always support Israel