If God is fallible, then can he exist as we want him to exist?
2007-01-03 18:33:38 · 24 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Wouldn't God have known ahead of time about lucifer? Why bother? Hell is ludicrous!
2007-01-03 18:39:58 · update #1
Why would any God, let alone your God allow someone to "burn in eternity"? Such logic is contradictory to a God that forgives. Eternity is ETERNITY!!! No forgiveness by definition, which contradicts what a God is.
2007-01-03 18:43:01 · update #2
Ok, firstly I'm an atheist, but I'll deal with your question. If I assume that both god and hell exist, and that god created everything, then god also created hell. If you then take this further, you have to realise that god also created evil, because without evil, there would be no hell. This also means that god created the devil. Which means that god is responsible for all the evil in the world that is attributed by many to the devil. Not only that, it means the devil was created for a purpose, which suggests that the devil is doing gods work when he tempts people or commits acts of evil. So when someone says that it's the work of the devil, they are also admitting it is the work of god.
When you think about it, it makes you wonder why there aren't more atheists in the world.
2007-01-03 18:41:41 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
If there is a hell wouldn't that prove Lucifer was fallible? Or more generally that "angels" or "Spiritual beings" are fallible.
It should be pretty obvious to most people that humans are fallible. It comes down to what most people decribe as free will. Most people believe that God always created beings with choice...not just robots who went around doing what he wanted them to, but they had the choice to do what THEY wanted to do.
Makes it more interesting i guess!
Wow- By the way hell is mentioned 54 times in the Bible.
it is implied atleast 15 or so times with "fire and brimstone"
2007-01-04 02:36:17 · answer #2 · answered by Akshun 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
If "god" isn't fallible...then the human race from the religious stand point should be considered a set up for failure. Lucifer came before Adam and Eve. Yeah...So people say the dude gave us free will...But he should also have a stronger influence than some little "angel", at least that's what I would think. Does it say in the bible that angels can have whatever effect they want on people...cause that's what supposedly happened.
2007-01-04 03:12:09 · answer #3 · answered by badbtchnocookie 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There is a hell because God gave us a will - the choice to do right or wrong. We always had the will to do what we want just as Adam and Eve "chose" to go against God by eating of the fruit of the forbidden tree.
The idea of hell is the reward for sinning. We have a loving Father. Just as our own father would discipline us if we did bad, God is a Father like that.
2007-01-04 02:44:21 · answer #4 · answered by julie 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
There is a God We can't see him like the we fell it but can't open your and let god speak Or maybe you might be afraid
God is real I have seen people life change myself include I was a drunk and asking to help me i quit less and less he called off the street and yes there a hell before I was called by a had it God I hear people screaming I was in pain crave for booze but not getting I was told that this be forever whitin 3 month I quit drinking
4 year later I got this as Youth Pastor
Hope this helps
2007-01-04 02:48:56 · answer #5 · answered by crazymanca7 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Your question is in-complete or obscure.
The presence of Hell does not mean God Himself is fallible.
Hell exists because Satan and his demons cannot be destroyed permanently. They can only be kept in punishment for eternity.
Hell will continue to exist even after this earth is gone. And those who violate the will of God will still be sent straight to Hell even if they are in heaven.
Quote - Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. Neither in this life nor the next.
2007-01-04 02:38:51 · answer #6 · answered by Marshal 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Hell was "NEVER EVER" Designed for Human Beings, it was for satan and the ones that followed them and fallible, Love is "NOT" Love when its forced, "IF" You LOVE ME keep my commandments John 14:15, when Adam and Eve sinned it was like taking hold of the plug that was in the Wall of Life, GOD and pulling it out, death was the result, God in The Second member of The Godhead came and took YOUR PLACE IN HELL, and so YOU can "IF" you seek it WITH "ALL" of your heart find the exit Jesus Christ provided you with, in Hell ONLY Those who choose to "NOT" take advantage and live up to the CONDITIONS upon which eternal life is offered WILL DIE see Rev 20:14 as they do indeed die the forever is the effects NOT the fire itself, free bible lessons learn MUCH more www.itiswritten.com bible questions www.bibleinfo.com talk to me also wgr88@yahoo.com God bless
2007-01-04 02:41:21 · answer #7 · answered by wgr88 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
No, it means God gave everyone free will,even the angels. Lucifer made his chose ,so he was the one that was fallible.
2007-01-04 05:38:05 · answer #8 · answered by Deerrunner 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It certainly does. God supposedly had to whip up a special place for his turncoat angel...evidently he hadn't planned on his angel going bad, and somehow "can't" destroy them. Which suggests that things catch him by surprise. Which means he isn't perfect, all-knowing, or all-powerful.
Unless he knew what was going to happen from the start, in which case he's sadistic.
2007-01-04 02:38:52 · answer #9 · answered by Scott M 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
your conclusion is ludicrous, excuse me for saying. How does the one lead to the other? Hell proves God is just, period.
And not believing in God doesn't cause him to not exist. Oh if that were so, since air is polluted and therefore fallible, if i don't believe in it, it doesn't exist? :-)
BY THE WAY: Hell *is indeed* mentioned in the Bible...
2007-01-04 02:37:39 · answer #10 · answered by karen i 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋