A question for true conservatives:?

Question

I am a conservative yet disagree with the conservative view on one key issue: illegal immigration. Illegal immagrants serve as a cheap and productive source of labor that we need. The american job market has almost twice as many possible jobs as potential employees, thus, illegal immagrants could serve the work force. my question is: Why do you want illegal immagrants deported.

One more thing: If you loose your job to someone who can hardly speak english and probably doesn't have much of an education, don't you deserve to loose that job? After all when was the last time that a doctor or vice president was replaced by an illegal immigrant.

Before you talk about legality please remember that US citizenship costs well over $400(american) per person and the average family income for a family of 7 or more in Mexico is $5000(american) per year.

Answer 1

You still don't understand the word illegal. We can have all the cheap labor we want, but what is wrong with them being legal? Perhaps if they were legal, they would be afforded the rights and protections as everone else.

Answer 2

Eliah91, your question is sincere and well stated. Not long ago I might have agreed. I’ve read a lot and experienced even more since then.

What really made the U.S. and other “developed” nations wealthy? Mexico as a nation earns $1,006,000,000,000 a year. A TRILLION DOLLARS a year and the people are poor? Why?

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Without it, we’d be just like Mexico. And if we had no law or education and they had ours, well, they’d probably be richer than us. Eliah01, with all due sympathy for their plight, they’re poor because they have no law nor any faith in it's institution. They bring vacuum here. Soon, “here” will become what they left.

Look at Japan and then Laos…at Israel and then Tajikistan…at Germany and then at Ireland…

Education and law. No education and no law. A tough lot to learn – years of seemingly boring education – but what a payoff.

And the reasons mount:

I read yesterday that 6+ million people are trying to immigrate legally and are awaiting confirmation. I say, speed up their checks and approvals.

Early research indicates these applicants regularly do the same sort of work as current illegals, work as many hours a day and make less than we pay illegals. Their societies are known to have relatively smaller families. Societies studied viewed acceptance of charity as an insult or an admission of weakness (don’t give me freebies, I’m not retarded or a bed-wetter…that kind of thing). Also, many of the applicants are from countries with a much higher avg education than…well…Mexico and Central America…

(It hurts to name countries, especially since I know a Mexican PhD who raided half the library and found ample evidence that Mexican children are clearly intelligent (he already knew that…) and that what holds them back is “little or no exposure to any adult with an education beyond primary school.”

Why do so many Hispanics quit school early? Ask any Mexican PhD and you’ll get a story like mine: See, I own apartments, most of my tenants are immigrants or 1st generation (read: Anchor Babies). I could introduce you to 50 girls whose first pregnancy was between ages 11 and 14. One girl is 17 and has 3 kids. How can an uneducated child prepare another child for a tough, challenging education?)

What’s worse (and my PhD friend almost cries…no, really…when he and I talk about this) is that I often talk to the kids as we all do, kind of theatrical like, about how exciting and wonderful a good education is. They look at me like little adults who just saw a person eat poop. At the age of 8 they’ve been taught to despise education. And they’ll tell you without a wince.

The only hope is to get legal immigrants (as many as we want, start with that 6 million), build the double-wall, set up “jails” that are actually temp-schools with the job of teaching the returning illegals the difference between a nation of laws and a corrupt government.


I’m pretty sure the “Immigration Lottery” has been filled before the deadline every time and in every country it’s ever been offered. (If you don’t know what that is, don’t feel bad, I found out less than a year ago. It's basically a quick way to get excellent new Americans, fast!)

The Lottery is a sure way to get the best people really fast. And, again, they’re more likely to respect laws than people whose whole life suddenly improved because they "stood up" to LAW and LAW showed to be powerless.

Illegals fill jobs but not because they work harder ‘in general’; it’s because the first wave will do the work for much less. After that, they use discriminatory hiring practices to hire only Hispanics making the jobs easier to get (while providing waitresses who are impossible to understand).

Keep an open mind. Good luck!

Answer 3

I am a true conservative and your idea has one major flaw: you say that people who lose jobs to illegal immigrants deserve to. I work in construction, however, and I get to see this firsthand. Illegal immigrants work for next to nothing, so you take a bunch of illegals, and a few skilled workers, and you can bid less than companies that hire strtictly legal workers...this continues until the only companiees that can compete are those that hire illegal workers. I'm sick of not being able to speak english on a jobsite, or having to find an interpreter to give simple instructions to workers.
And you forget the expenses we incur from these criminals. They go to our schools, they use our roads, our hospitals, our police, and other public services, yet they contribute *nothing*.

Did you know that mexico's second leading source of income as a country is money sent there from the United States?

I have absolutely no sympathy for illegal immigrants. We cant fix the worlds problems, and we cant take in every person who wishes they could live here, espcially those that feel like they have no duty to learn english or become *Americans*...

Answer 4

I would prefer the workers to be made legal and forced to follow the law. I know that many "illegals" get social security numbers and pay in, so that money sits in the government fund without being used.

The problem I have with immigration law is that there is this stupid quota system from the Clinton administration. Then it has a lottery portion and I learned on Yahoo Answers that there are criminals in other countries who ask for money for a free lottery. They prey on people who want to come to the US. I don't like criminals stealing from would be legal immigrants.

There are problems with Mexico that should be addressed through diplomatic channels, but that is not happening and no one talks about it at all.

Answer 5

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While on the subject of "education" you might not that you spelled "lose" wrong. I hope no Mexicans come in asking for proofreading jobs...

By allowing American corporations to hire undocumented workers for peanuts ($2-$3 an hour) we are not making them accountable to anyone! (The ones that don't hire illegals for peanuts, take our jobs TO them) These illegals are living here running up our health care tab by millions (billions?) of dollars because they have no health insurance. What we gain by having a "cheap labor force" we lose when we have to use our taxes to cover their health care.

My husband immigrated hear LEGALLY from the U.K. In six years, we've paid well over $2,500 in fees, just to keep his green card status up. (There are filing fees every time we go in, plus each new green card costs a couple hundred) By the time he actually GETS the option to become a citizen goodness knows how many more thousands we'll have spent. I don't know WHERE you get this $400 figure.

Answer 6

Why do we need this cheap labor force? Because we are broke and can't afford to pay a living wage to this black-market underclass? Or because people like you want to exploit desperate people? So you advocate what is essentially a slave labor market here in the US to clean your toilet, and flip your burger and retrieve your shopping cart is that it?

I guess you didn't connect the dots with our hypocritical Congress as it cynically does a dog and pony show to raise the minimum wage, which in turn will squeeze out more US citizens from labor markets in favor of the cheap illegal labor you cheer - or cheap slave-like labor overseas. You think the Mexican slaves are going to get a government mandated pay raise? You can't possibly be that dumb.

What's cheap about this illegal black market labor pool is that employers get a free pass at providing all the protections and benefits required by law, or demanded by the middle-class working public.

Who foots the bill when a Mexican slave gets sick? WE DO. Who foots the bill for educating that slaves kids? WE DO. Who foots the bill when a slave laborer crashes into your car without insurance? WE DO.

Answer 7

The government does not want to deport anyone. No one, outside the idiots here, has even suggested it. The concern is that white America is no longer reproducing. Because of this Hispanics are becoming more prominent. The face of America is changing. So, they advocate limiting immigration.

I would like to say that this is due to racism, but no. Us, Hispanics, were conquered by the best European country of its time: Spain. I don't know how those douche-mongers managed to do so nor am I proud about it. There are many Mexicans that pretend to have the great noble Spanish blood in them. Somehow they are better than regular Mexicans.

Since nearly all Mexicans have Spanish blood in us, we are like brothers to Spaniards, Italians and the other romantic nations, and like cousins to Americans. So, stop kidding yourselves and embrace us.

And yes, you are right about your points on the job market. If someone whose sole skill is to run across the border takes your job, then you didn't have much of a job. The argument against this is that there are those that don't have the capacity to hold any other job. The point reflects the perils of living in a welfare state. You are asked not to surpass any expectations.
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To all those that said that illegal means illegal - are you just talking because you like to repeat words like a parrot? In other words, would you oppose a plan to make them legal?

Answer 8

The key word is ILLEGAL. When you support the concept of illegality your support law breaking. They may very well serve the purposes you describe, but what are you saying to a person who enters the country by the wrong means and then condone their first act as " citizens" by proping up law breaking?
Most of what you say has some truth as far as the fiscal impact, but the bleeding hearts for the illegal concept comes under the catagory of too bad. Enter the country properly and you can achieve what many have. Dont support law breaking.

Answer 9

Why is it ok for illegals to only be able to get low paying jobs but somehow shameful for our own people to need them?

You really want us subsidizing your workforce with our tax dollars and at the expense of ruining our schools, don't you? Do your kids go to public school? Or not? If not, you may never get it. However if you pay people poverty level wages they are 'entitled' to poverty benefits, and their kids in any event have to be squeezed into our schools.

That labor is not 'cheap' it is simply that it is paid for by people other than the employers. And the cost is not a cost we are willing to bear.

And speaking of costs, it costs $10,000 to educate one child for one year in California, not counting construction costs for all of the new schools, or the higher cost of ESL education.

Who pays for that for their children? And how good do you think the schools are for our own children, any more? You are welcome to go to any public school in parts of LA where illegals concentrate and check them out. If you can get in, of course. And remember that the high schools will have metal detectors, so be careful about what is in your pockets.

We have very good reason for limiting immigration of poor people. People who come illegally, above those limits, are stealing education from our children and health care from our sick.

You cannot have subsidized services and unlimited immigration.

Answer 10

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