raw feeding and boiled rice?

Question

Hi i have a dobermann puppy and im thinking of feeding a barf diet but im concerned about the link between high protein intake and hip dysplasia so was going to feed equal amount boiled rice to meat weight. Is this ok for his health? He is 8.5 weeks old at the moment.

BARF=Bones and raw food OR Biologically Appropriate Raw Food

apparently large breed dogs bones grow too fast when fed too much protein. This is why they think that there may be an increased link to hip dysplasia in dogs fed a high protein diet.

Are they (pet food manufacturers) allowed to use diseased meat etc in dry foods in the uk?

Answer 1

Protein levels aren't a concern with a raw diet. They only become a concern with commercial diets because of "manufactured" protein.
A raw or homecooked diet is extremely apropriate diet for any breed/size of dog.
Also hip dysplasia isn't caused by high protein..most of it is genetic in nature (hence OFA/PennHip on all dogs BEFORE breeding), forced exercise (jogging, biking, hiking, jumping, etc) before adulthood...problems with high protein intake (moreso for giant breeds then large) are HOD, Pano. These problems are almost nonexistant with a properly done raw or homecooked diet or a quality kibble of less then 24% protein.
I would suggest reading books by Dr. Thomas Longdale and Ian Billingsworth for correct info on feeding a raw diet.

In a perfect world everyone would feed raw or homecooked..it is healthier for your dog in the long run and promotes proper puppy growth.It is a wonderful means of feeding a puppy if you do it correctly.

Healthy puppies & dogs aren't suseptible to e-coli, salmonilla or any other food borne illnesses that humans get. They have stronger digestive systems as well as shorter digestive tracts. They are designed to eat meats & such that would make a human very ill.

Also veggies & grains aren't a necassary part of a dogs diet. They actually need very little of veggies & no grains. They are meat eaters not veggie/grain eaters.

By the way I don't feed raw or homecooked, never have, but I have done extensive research on it as well as commercial feeding.

Answer 2

You should join a Yahoo group to ask your question of people who are feeding BARF (biologically appropriate raw food). You can learn from other people's experience in feeding the raw meat and find out what carbohydrates and vegetables are appropriate for dogs. I feed a raw meat diet to my cats and belong to a couple of groups where people do the same.

Dogs can benefit from vegetables in their diet and I do not think rice (especially white rice) is going to contribute to good nutrition for the puppy. Where did you hear that high protein exacerbated any tendency to hip displasia? Doesn't seem likely to me. Certainly rice is not a "natural" food for a dog.

Answer 3

Personally I don't recommend BARF. Go with prey model which simulates prey. I guess you can call it a BARF diet but its mostly organs, muscle, and RMB

Also rice is high in carbs.....

http://rawfed.com/myths/preymodel.html

EDIT: to the peta guy above me

DID YOU KNOW...ecoli was found in kibble? Also kibble is mosly made of contaminated or diseased meat "not for human consumption"

Yummy I really want to eat some of that diseased slaughter meat...mmmmm

Yes diseased meat is manufactured in UK dog food. In foods from the US and UK (and canada i think) its all food thats unfit for human consumption that goes into dog food. Pretty sick since most animals, when we find out what they have really done to them, we don't want to eat anyway.

Answer 4

Meat is not high protein, that is a common misconception. Since meat has a high water content, it is usually under 20% protein--which is actually a little bit less than most pet foods. Dogs have *NO* (NONE...ZILCH...NADA...ZERO) need for carbohydrates in their diet. All rice does is make a dog's poop bigger, and perhaps irritate his/her ears, paws, and/or digestive system if the dog has a grain allergy.

Answer 5

be wary of the BARF diet (Biologically Appropriate Raw Food)... there are a lot of professionals decrying it as (well-intetioned) but a potentially harmful fad.

consider this:

1. your dog is just as succeptible to things like e-coli, and potentially harmful microbes, bacteria etc. as we are.. the only way to kill these pathogens is to cook them

2. unlike catching and killing animals in the wild - YOUR raw food is coming courtesy of a farm, then slaughterhouse, then transport, then meatpacking plant, then butcher.. there are AMPLE opportunities for contamination.

3. if you live in an urban area - and even if you pick up - there is a danger of passing said pathogens onto other dogs, or kids or the groundwater.




EDIT:

regarding the comments from the girl below.. I would take any information touting the beneifts of any foods published by the manufacturer to be HIGHLY SUSPECT..

quote:

""Neither the American Veterinary Association nor the British Veterinary Association endorses the health benefits of raw food. Both organizations caution that animals fed raw meat run the risk of contracting food-borne illnesses. The British veterinary group declares that "there is no scientific evidence base to support the feeding of raw meat and bones," and warns humans they risk exposing themselves to bacteria like salmonella."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_feeding#_note-7


I'm not saying feed your dog the garbage kibble - there are many premium brands (Innova) made from human grade food


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there is a growing concern over BARF, I urge you to look into it.. here's one of MANY articles:

Answer 6

Rice contains alot of carbs. Make sure he gets enough exercise. If feeding him meat, make sure its not on a small bone.

Answer 7

Did you tested Eating for Energy (120 raw food diet recipes) technique? Try on this website : http://StayEatingRaw.com/Tutor . It may probably support everyone!

Answer 8

dogs are carnivores, that means they eat meat, not rice, meat. talk to your vet about the hip displasia concerns (you do have a vet, right? good you do have a vet) i've known a few dobermann owners and they made regular trips to the vet with their dogs and their dogs were healthy and happy and well mannered (i think that has something to do with the owner knowing how to train and care for their pets properly).

Answer 9

http://www.barfworld.com/html/barf_diet/barfdiet_faq.shtml

Here is a great reference for you.
I would be careful about bones with a puppy though, they can be a choking hazard.

BARF is an animal diet consisting of Bones And Raw Food. It is a more natuaral diet for pets.

Answer 10

it is not appropriate to feed a barf or whole food diet to a puppy. a dog must be at least a year old. otherwise it could suffer from vitamin deficiency, physical developmental delay, and mental developmental delay. i feed a whole food diet from Merrick foods to my adult dogs(a specialty made food that is no preservatives whole food)... this brand offers a natural feed that is completely preservative free with supplements for a puppy. it is called Merrick "puppy plate". at least do this for the first year then continue on with the adult food, or move to a barf diet. never feed uncooked meat to a puppy, they will get sick, very sick. be extremely care full feeding raw meat to an adult dog to decrease the chances of bacterial contamination. i recommend a whole food diet, that allows u to cook the meat and feed raw vegetables, simply because there is no risk involved for the dog.