Non-Christians: Where Do You Learn This Rubbish?

Question

I make a question asking where Christians take away rights and you give me a list of made up rights that have been outlawed since the beginning of the republic?

There has been a grand total of ONE time freedoms have been taken from people in the U.S.: Prohibition.

EVERYTHING else has been a move to expand the freedoms of the American people. Please do not simply respond with the same sex marriage arguement again... the ignorance is too painful.

Same Sex marriage = not currently a right in the U.S. so there's nothing to take away.

Right to an Abortion = an abomination of a right that has also not been taken away since it was granted.


Still waiting on something other than prohibition....

Answer 1

OBVIOUSLY you didn't read my answer...try again

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AlXSbWbKRR.9O6CpFEQ__tvsy6IX?qid=20070103074238AAm92si&show=7#profile-info-b9167512d21528d07749f61ca09a72cbaa

How is pointing out that many Christians are bigots against Homosexuals "being ignorant"? Is it because the truth hurts and you simply chose to ignore it?


If you want me to list them again FINE:
-Christians used the Bible to try and prevent women from getting equal rights saying it was against God's will
-Christians used the Bible to try and prevent African Americans from obtaining equal rights, again saying it was against God's will
-Christians fight abortion at every turn calling it a sin
-Christians fight against cloning, saying it is against God's will. GIVE ME A BREAK! Do you really think that having food to feed starving children is against God's will?!

Shall I continue or is this enough?

Answer 2

First of all, you didn't ask about "rights", you asked about "freedoms". That may sounds to some like a minor detail, but it really is two different things.

I think you may have got better answers if you asked more openly and with an open mind to real answers. Your original question was intriguing, but then you attached a bunch of, er... rubbish... in the details area that makes it looks like you're just framing a question to prove yourself right rather than really being interested in enlightening answers.

You're question is a bit odd anyway, and made (by design?) difficult to answer. Why? Because there is not a direct church influence on legislation in this country. There isn't a church that gets a vote in congress. However, the churches do have quite a bit of indirect influence. Also, many if not most U.S. government officials are/were christians. However does that make every vote they cast a vote for the christian agenda? Of course not. So, how do you gauge whether or not (or to what degreee) a change in law or policy is a "christian" change.

Now let me chime in on what appears to be the root of this question. It seems your framing of this question/issue is you want to show that Christians do not restrict freedoms in the U.S. If that's what you're trying to get at, get real. And don't just look at the current situation. Look at the US history from the beginning. There are many "freedoms" that have been fought by Christians over the last 2+ centuries. There were alot of christians who didn't want to give up slavery. There were lots of Christians who helped put all those Jim Crow laws into place. And yes prohibition too. Alcohol prohibition was overturned, but it is still in effect for marijuana and other drugs. How about the "freedom" of a woman to choose to have an abortion? Christians are working hard to suppress this right and are making headway in turning back laws layer by layer. And that is just a few examples. That's as much as I have time for.

Lastly... you say everything else (that Christians have done in this country) has been a move to expand freedoms? Puleeze. If ignorance is painful you must be in agony.

Answer 3

One time? Try at least 2 in the past 5 years. Please read Patriot Acts 1 & 2. This limits Freedom of Speech... you can get arrested for talking bad about the President or the Gov't... even if it's not in a terroristic way.

Each State makes the laws for the States. Civil Unions were allowed before all of this Homosexual Marriage talk started. Gay couples have been getting married since the 80's under civil unions of their particular State.

Rubbish? Maybe you need to look into this before you tell us that it's rubbish. It's Unconstitutional to make a law in regards to a Religious Idea.... and Marriage being between only man and woman comes from Mainstream Religion.... and would therefore only cater to the Mainstream Religions..... this is why it didn't go thru when they tried the first 3 times.

I'm still not sure why Anyone would care if 2 gay, consenting adults decide they want to get married. How in the world does this affect you or anyone else? You need it written down for you to know what sex YOU need to marry? Are you that worried about what everyone else is doing in the privacy of their own home? I can understand if Christian Churches don't want to do it... that's their RIGHT to refuse to do that, as it does go against the Religion. But "marriage" is a Gov't sanctioned institute.... You have to go to the Court House to get a LICENSE before you even go to the Church!

Geez, don't you even know how this stuff works?

Answer 4

This is EXACTLY the problem. It's not so much that rights are taken away. The problem is that rights are DENIED. Now, explain to me (not with a religious view - separation of church and state) how denying Gay unions (marriage-whatever you want to call it) is not a denial of rights.

Sister Steph

There have been loses in the abortion rights. In a lot of cases crazy pro-lifers (not all are crazy, just the ones who harass and bomb) have run abortion clinics completely out of their state. Some states have even put restrictions on abortion that make it almost impossible to have one. Now, Roe V Wade may not yet have been overturned, but many states (for mostly religious reasons) have made it almost unnecessary. Why do you think that something must be COMPLETELY illegal before it can be considered a denial of rights? I am over 21, and in my state cannot purchase alcohol on Sunday. Now, why do you think this is? And honestly, why not? Does the purchasing of alcohol interfere with Sunday services? Or, are Christians afraid that if alcohol can be bought on Sunday, they might have a smaller turn out for church (thus reducing their monetary gain)?

Answer 5

This is to Nicholas (who I think is totally out of whack here)
Everything you posted was either granted freedoms decades ago (we all have equal rights) or is still going on today (like abortion. it hasn't stopped, so no loss in freedom there).

I really suggest you look up what loosing a freedom means. Josh is right. We haven't lost anything. We have gained more freedoms then you know and you are harping on things that either don't exist anymore or are not changing.

Try again.

Also, I think they are forgetting that homosexual marriages are legal in some states. It was put to a vote, it lost. Try again in a few years or move.

Answer 6

Right to an abortion, Roe vs Wade, seriously abridged by States at the urging of Christians, the right to do research on stem cells with federal funding banned by the executive. Real issues, real rights real important.

and unintentionally you have just hit paydirt as to why we atheists bother in coming on a forum like this, because if we did not make our presence felt throughout society you can bet that there would be more and more like you trying to roll back rights which have been fought for over the centuries with the Church leading the opposition.

Oh and a right you do not agree with is still a right and all the more important for your disagreement. And why do you continue to ignore federal funding for stem cell research?

Answer 7

Okay....Listen.

If you in any way BLOCK the rights of other people from occuring, using your faith as a reason, THAT IS THE TAKING AWAY OF FREEDOM!

It seems that you only want the stopped rights that are in the constitution, which does not cover every right for
"All rights not specifically given to the government, is given to the states." Therefore, where YOU are at fault for putting in such a vauge question that did not directly focus on the constitution bill of rights.

Answer 8

You. Have. No. Idea. What. You're. Talking. About.

The prohibition is one case of people's rights not being recognized. In the United States alone, this is followed by a ban on homosexual marriage in 26 states, as you so kindly pointed out, as well as protection of patents and copyrights, protection of land ownership, bans on abortion and bans on certain forms of free speech. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many others.

Answer 9

How about drugs? Stuff like heroin and cocaine used to be legal, Christian groups campaigned and had them banned, which didn't stop the drug use it just meant people had to buy drugs from gangsters instead of chemists. As with alcohol prohibition it saw an increase in organised crime and clogged the prisons with petty criminals.
And just because same sex couples never had the right to be married, doesn't mean it's okay to continue to oppress them.

Answer 10

ANY time you use your religion in support of preventing someone from doing something, not simply because there is a clear and obvious good (like preventing one person from harming another through force or fraud), but based on your religious beliefs, then you are violating other peoples first amendment rights. Implicit in the right to freedom of religion is to be free from persecution from another's religious beliefs.

If you like, I can try and say that in small words, so it's easier to understand.