Grace and Law?

Question

Any time I am grilling some half wit bible thumper about home much they DO NOT KNOW and how much they DO NOT understand, and after I place piles of evidence in their hot little hands to historically prove them wrong on soooooo many levels....They love to try and dismantle anything I say about the OT with this grace stuff

"Oh well that is the law, and matters not, for we are under grace"

If this is true, then I ask you this.....

why do they continue to print the "law" if the "law no longer applies???

Or is it better to say that you only believe the parts of the bible you like, and you ignore the parts you don’t?

Answer 1

Grace and Law is quite a difficult subject for most people to grasp. The law is perfect. If you fulfill the law you will go to heaven. If you break the law you go to Hell. Essentially this sent everyone to hell as no human fulfilled the law until Jesus came. Grace still requires that the penalty for sin is paid but if you know Jesus He is willing to pay the penalty for you. The requirements of the law have not changed, the method by which the debt is paid has changed. This thing He does for us is what we term grace. Technically this means that what we do does not directly affect our ability to go to heaven BUT what we do affects our relationship with Jesus which means if we are not friends...He won't pay the bill .. we go to jail. The law applies in that going to heaven is decided by grace but your position in heaven is based on how well you fulfilled the law. Nothing is wasted and living right or wrong matters. Hope I helped and not confused further.

Answer 2

Actually, not everything in the Old Testament is void. Some things are still aplicable to Christian life, but other things were ceremonies only necessary before the Messiah came. For instance, the Jews would sacrifice lambs to God when they sinned because this represented the coming Messiah who would die for them. Christians do not do that because since Jesus died on the cross already, that is not necessary. Also, some laws for national laws and punishments for the nation of Israel's justice system, like laws about stoning certain people. Those are not applicable either. Certain Jewish holidays like Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles also aren't celebrated because they are part of Jewish heritage but not part of ours and because they are no longer necessary.
As for the whole, "the law matters not, for we are under grace" that is misunderstood, if not by you, then by them. We DO still have to keep God's laws, but even if we break them, we can always turn around and repent. But there is a difference between keeping the law and breaking it sometimes and having to repent and actually breaking the law on purpose without caring.

Answer 3

No, that's what liberals do - pay attention to a few chosen words of Jesus that agree with their preconceived philosophy and ignore the rest of the Bible. I will charitably assume that you are telling the truth and not (like so many) acting like you're really bold in your atheist witnessing but would wither in any actual argument. I will assume your "sooooooo many levels" actually exists, though from all the evidence so far, I have my doubts. Quit knocking down strawmen.

Anyway, I have never heard any Christian say the law matters not. How could you, since Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law?

It is true that we are not under the law, in the sense that every command the law prescribes, we are to do. The "law" was just that - the lawbook of ancient Israel. Much of it is more akin to our statutes and constitution today. Does that mean we should ignore it? Not at all! The law shows the holiness of God, and shows many of his desires. It clearly shows things like it is right to respect your parents, homosexual behavior is detestable to God, life is sacred, etc. These things are well worth keeping in mind today and for all time.

Answer 4

Christ is the fulfillment of the law. To understand the law you must understand sin. Sin is unrighteous actions committed against God and only God. all men are sinners so nobody can stand before god blameless.
The law says that the penalty of sin is death. This is referring to spiritual death and separation from god(hell). This sin was covered by the sacrfice of animals(the law). THe sin was not forgiven just attoned for by following the law set forth to do so. The men that followed the law prioor to Christ were not allowed into the kingdom of heaven either, they were taken to paradise and taken care of by God but were still sinful being that their wage for sin had still not been paid.

When Christ died on the cross he took the sin wage of the world. He paid the death for sin and cleared the slate so to speak for mankind. He took those in paradise to the kingdom of heaven now that their sin was forgiven and they can stand blameless before God.

This is what is meant by grace and law. Christ fullfilled the law to pay the wage of death for sin. The law is not gone just fulfilled. The basic misconception that now we no longer have to follow any of the commandments set by god in the law(tithing, sexual perversion, ect.) is just foolish.

Hope this helps

Answer 5

You understand nothing. Self proclaimed wisdom is foolishness. Study to show thyself approved.

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.