Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star (Lucifer), son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star (Lucifer)."
This is a bit of a dilemma, isn't it? either jesus is lucifer, or nothing in the bible can be taken seriously.
2007-01-02 04:56:52 · 8 answers · asked by Shawn M 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
in fact, consider that the bible never links Satan and Lucifer, but does link Jesus and Lucifer.
2007-01-02 05:01:56 · update #1
Yah, sho nuff, but unless a christian can derive the correct meaning from whatever the correct context is, i will let the verse speak for itself.
2007-01-02 05:03:19 · update #2
LADY, the name lucifer is not a name to begin with... that was a later invention by St. Jerome in the 4th century. what it MEANS is Bearer of Light. it has the same meaning as Phosphorous in greek (and we use it in english.) my point is that christians correlate lucifer with satan, but the bible tells us nothing of the sort, but even describes jesus as lucifer.
2007-01-02 05:09:03 · update #3
I tried this one last week and they told me that I took it out of context. I don't know those are pretty simple verses to me and I don't know how you could take that out of context.
2007-01-02 05:01:44 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
There's no dilemma. Lucifer was never intended as a proper name. It is simply the greek translation of the hebrew for 'morning star'. Somewhere in early christian history, this word was reinterpreted to be referring to satan by a proper name.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Go back an read a few verses earlier in Isaiah 14. There, the morning star is identified as the King of Babylon. What follows is a parable, written with much allusion. But it is the King of Babylon who is the fallen 'star', not some mistranslated name of a non-existent angel.
2007-01-02 13:08:38 · answer #2 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Lucifer was a name Isaiah gave to the King of Babylon. It was meant to be a mockery. The only names for Satan are, Satan and Devil. The Romans called him Beezlebub.
There is a difference in the name for Son of Dawn and Bright Morning Star. Jesus is not saying he is the Son of Dawn. They do not mean the same thing.
2007-01-02 14:05:15 · answer #3 · answered by Pinkribbon 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus said… “I am … the bright and morning star.” —Revelation 22:16
i.e., “I am Lucifer…” In his own words, though most did not know that the Morning Star is the planet Venus that stands for Lucifer a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring")
And his number is Six hundred threescore and six …
We can find original text written in Greek, Latin as well as Hebrew. The Greek alphabet was assigned numerical values (The X gives the Z sound of Xylophone) X (=Chi) 600; Xi (shaped like a curled capital E) 60 and S (Sigma) 6. (Although Sigma is no longer used, it was) Thus 600, 60 and 6 spells XES, the Greek spelling for Zeus. In the KJV translation - where the name of the prophet Elisha (meaning 'My God is Saviour') has been retained in the paganised form 'Eliseus' (My god is Zeus). In similar fashion, the Name of the Hebrew Messiah YAHU'SHUAH (meaning 'YAHU is Saviour') has been paganised to read 'JeZeus', ('God is Zeus') which later became 'Jesus' in the English language (pronounced 'Jezus').
600 (X), 60 (Xi,=E), 6 (S) the number of his name, clearly spells XES the original Greek spelling for ZEUS.
"In Thy Light shall we SEE LIGHT" THE SEAL OR MARK OF YHWH OR THE SEAL OR MARK OF CHRIST JESUS STIGMATA (the lord)=666. Christ=Kristos or fish-Dagon=600, Jesus=Iesus or Zeus=60, Stigma=6. Lord=Baal-"god of the sun" Chi, Xi, Stigma is # 5516 in Strong's Concordence, the "666" of Rev. 13:18-The initials of the name.
“…and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world”
2007-01-02 13:56:29 · answer #4 · answered by ? 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is referred to as the Bright Morning Star.
Satan is the O morning star, son of the dawn.
It seems like semantics, but if you delve into the meaning of each phrase you will see the difference.
2007-01-02 13:16:26 · answer #5 · answered by j_d_barrow 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The christian devil and Lucipher are two different entities. The christians are the only ones who blame their devil for their faults. Now, when they see proof, such as this, they automatically come the the assumption that it was taken out of context because they don't like to be proven wrong.
2007-01-02 13:06:29 · answer #6 · answered by Cold Fart 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Revelations was a nightmare of John of Pathmos.
But, the religious empires in 325AD threw it in to scare people into confusion. "Where there is confusion , there is profit" ... and a few false prophets to boot.
Added: "sho-nuff" is a boot licking toady.
2007-01-02 13:04:57 · answer #7 · answered by MrsOcultyThomas 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
the name lucifer actually means most beautiul one.
2007-01-02 13:03:52 · answer #8 · answered by ipodlady231 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋