Why does religious thought collide with logic?

Question

Ive met a lot of people on R & S who are living on the extremes of the spectrum. Theyre either very religious or the latter.

The highly religious rarely make sense, and the latter are so bitter they call anyone with a faint belief in God dimwits.

Is there something wrong with people in general or is this a matter of healthy education?

or rather a lack of healthy education.

Why do people just accept the thought that religious ideals have to collide with logical thought?

Why cant there be a middle ground to all this

Im aware that Im generalizing but the truth be told, the numbers are too large to ignore.

Answer 1

In fact the religion is natural and logical. You can find there are many people who accept that religious thoughts are logical. It is not possible for every one to understand religion with out proper education.
Its hard luck that every person, a lay man or a street person starts commenting on religion. But if we ask the same person a simple question on maths or on medical or engineering then the person will reply that he/she was not educated for that.
But in case of religion every one claims being a scholar or champion in that field.
What will you name that?

Answer 2

Religion and logic approach a subject from 2 different perspectives all based on assumptions and willingness to change one's mind. there are, then, 4 paradigms or world views. Baroque Monarchy (the names are not that important but help with clarity), wherein a person makes as many assumptions as possible and holds onto them no matter what new evidence comes along to the contrary. this would be religion. god is assumed to exist and everything we're told about god is assumed to be true. but the world is NOT flat? god still exists. etc. then there is Spartan Meritocracy, wherein a person makes as few assumptions, and gladly throws them out when new information is available. That world view is the whole reason we learned that the earth was an orb and NOT the center of the universe. Some logical person looked at it without assuming it to be true. The other two are variants of these. Spartan Monarchy, which is dangerous. holding on to a few assumptions and never changing one's mind on any of them. Baroque Meritocracy, which is many assumptions that get tested on their merits and tossed if invalid... this leads directly into Spartan Meritocracy.

This is why God and Science cannot get along. This is why god and logic cannot get along. unless religious people can shed their beliefs and go about finding god based on solid fact, this will always be the case.

Answer 3

Well, I won't deny there's something wrong with me. After all I'm only worth whatever perceptions you have... however logic is taking a "problem" and systematically working towards a "solution", whereas most religious thought hits this wall of thought that they can't explain, because to them it doesn't necessarily agree with nature or their Bible (whichever way you're looking at it) and then they shrug their shoulders and fall back on "faith" blindly.

In accordance with the various forms of logic I've encountered, until I found Buddhist logic, they all come up against a wall that doesn't go much further. Buddhism takes the next logical step and answers my questions. Not everybody, though, has the ability or desire to understand it, so I don't shove it all down their throats by advertising it loudly or putting them down too harshly.

Answer 4

You have made an interesting point. Can we find common ground between logic and religion?
This of course depends on the kind of religion. If a religion postulates concepts like "omnipotence", "omnipresence", or "omniscience" of a supernatural entity, you automatically are in conflict with logic, because these concepts are paradox in themselves. If a religion demands faith without proof or evidence, this is at least a challenge to a logical and analytical mind. If religious texts are valued higher than reproducible scientific evidence, you have a lot of material for a heated argument.

Cheers!

Edit: In view of the answer before mine, please let me add "quoting endless religious sermons might conflict with using your own brain for thinking".
Another edit: the posting I referred to is gone now, funny.

Answer 5

I do believe they go hand in hand.

Those who reject the Bible, who do not think it is a sure guide, and who do not know what it says, are not the only people who do not obey God’s instruction to reason together. There is another group that loudly and vigorously proclaims its belief in the Bible, cites scriptures readily, is more than willing to pick an argument about religion, but still does not reason with others upon God’s Word. They are more concerned with proving themselves right than they are with finding the truth. They depend upon emotional tirades rather than logic, upon wrangling rather than informed discussion. They insult God by appealing, not to the intellect or intelligence of his creatures, but merely to their emotions.

The truth of God’s Word is logical. It is on a high plane, for it represents the greatest intelligence in the universe. Yet its extreme logicalness makes it so simple that everyone who wishes can understand. It can be discussed in quietness and clarity, with neither emotionalism nor wrangling.

Answer 6

People or scientist try and explain God, you can not explain God, so they assume Hes not real since He can not be explained.
its all about Faith, for example, the metaphor of a chair... Find the chair closest to you. Look at it closely. Examine its design. Is it structurally sound? Is it sufficiently engineered? Will the materials chosen by the manufacturer support your weight?
Most likely, you picked a chair that you believe will support you. That's belief. You applied logic, knowledge and experience to make an informed intellectual decision.
Now sit in the chair... That's faith! At one point, intellectual assent only goes so far. True living requires that we put our beliefs into action. Intellectual belief without actionable faith is hollow and meaningless...

Answer 7

religious thoughts should be logical. religion is a way of life. its basically god's guideline to lead your life. religion has to be adopted in ur every day action hence it has to be logical. every religion serves one purpose to make the individual a better person. how can u make urself a better being? by filtering out good from the bad and accepting given religious beliefs with logic into ur life system correcting urself the way god wants u to. thats religion. if u have little bit of intelligence u will go to the roots of a religious belief until it makes complete sense to u. god's word is always clear and makes sense. its when humans begin to tamper and alter a given religious guideline does it become illogical. u need to filter out the essence of religion from human alterations. that requires a lot of pondering and comon sense. thats all.

Answer 8

Because religious thought is all about things that cannot be tested, evaluated, or proven. It is all guesswork mixed up with magical thinking and held in place by tradition.

A healthy education teaches people to think critically for themselves, ideally turning them into genuine skeptics (as opposed to cynics)--people who demand to be convinced of things through evidence and reason not by emotional displays chocked with fear and authoritarianism.

Answer 9

I would say that it was a lack of education.

Schools today are teaching bigotry under the banner of tolerance.

Politicians are preaching hate under the guise of fellowship.

Children are being taught to be sheep under the pretense of independent thought.

All signs of a society on the decline I am afraid.

Answer 10

I have met many bitter non-religious people, that make no sense....so, to blame one side is unfair.

education has nothing to do with logic..education tries to present facts, but it also presents many unfounded theories

logic may not always be the truth..

a religious opinion may not be true either, unless backed by the bible.