Let's suppose God is an omniscient being who knows and sees all (omnipresence and omnipotence aside... for now). He knew from the day he decided to create the angels that one of them would try to betray him, and that he would be forced to caste him into a lake of fire to burn for all eternity. God created Lucifer, did he not? He knew that Lucifer would come to Adam and Eve and tempt them with the Fruit of Passion, did he not? So why did God seemed so shocked when Lucifer betrayed him, or Adam and Eve ate the fruit? Did God NOT know this would happen? Why did he act so irrationally when he threw them out of Eden? Why didn't God just NOT make Lucifer? Wouldn't everything be okay now, and we'd all be feasting in the Garden of Eden? In a way (I know this sounds trite...), is God not to blame for all suffering?
2007-01-02 04:00:27 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
To all answerers: didn't God know this would happen? He is, afterall, omniscient, isn't he?
2007-01-02 04:05:27 · update #1
God was in a real huff after that fruit thing. He seemed a little panicked using us and we when he should have been using I.
Doesn't seem like someone who plans well to me.
Anyway. According to Christian mythology the story doesn't fit together well and there is no purpose for the creation of this lucifer character.
Jewish is different.
2007-01-02 04:05:55 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
Maybe God didn't necessarily know about the whole fallen angel scenario, Lucifer, from the start. But later, upon finding-out he must have seen the unforeseen future. He made his move, gave us freewill, and acted rationally too, as he did give Adam and Eve warning. . . And no, don't think that God is to blame either. . . Rather, he might be the only one to thank. . . Am thinking that without God, we'd all be tortured by now from Lucifer, given his near perfect likeliness to God, jealous-tendencies, need for admiration, and desires to get back at God for casting him out of his much-desired Kingdom. . . He was such a near-perfect angel. . . that he wanted to be God himself, have all that God had etc. . . God's plan had back-fired, so to speak. And when Lucifer couldn't be God, or even equal to God, he threw a tantrum, and is now forever (well) throwing-fits!
I don't know that you can predict these tantrums, or even come-out ahead. . . But we can live and learn, keep the faith, whilst all the while holding-out for the feuds, between good and evil, to come to an end, . . . and they will, one day, we hope. . .
2007-01-02 04:11:20 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
God created Lucifer (Archangel over worship, singing, music, etc.) He was a beautiful creature.(God created him that way.)
Lucifer was an angel before he had pride in his heart. Once he decided he wanted to be worshiped and as high as God, is when he was cast out (evicted) from Heaven.
Yes, God knew that Satan (serpent) would tempt Eve (with Adam right there with her.) Where did you come with the passion fruit? No where in the Biblical text is the "fruit of passion." It only says fruit.
You must understand something. We (humans) go through trials, temptations and tribulations to grow us. God knows our hearts...sometimes, it to show us where our hearts are.
Satan doesn't have the same power as God. Satan must go to God and get permission...to do anything. Sometimes, he even begs.
God wasn't shocked or surprised that Lucifer betrayed Him. God wanted him to make the right choices, hence free will.
God was never irrational. He simply evicted Lucifer. God is God. He can do what-ever He pleases. He doesn't need anyone's permission or acceptance. He is who He is.
"Why didn't God just NOT make Lucifer?" Why wouldn't He (create Lucifer) It was Lucifer that had pride in His heart. Even the angels have free will, which would explain why 1/3 of the angels followed Lucifer in his fall.
Nope, God is not at fault for all suffering. It is by our decisions and sins that there is evil in this world. Get that? Ours. Humans. We have free will and always have.
If God were to take away evil, He would be taking away free will. Then we all would be good little robots. That's not why He created us. He created us to be in relationship with Him.
As with any relationship, there is free will. An exchange of feelings, that is freely given and freely taken. Our relationship with the living God is the same way.
He invites us into relationship with Him, through Jesus Christ. He pursues us. Seeks us out.
He does not need us. He would still be God without us. (Here's the amazing part) He wants us. He wants us to be in relationship with Him. He wants to spend eternity with us. (How cool is that?!?!?)
What path have you chosen? It's never too late...
2007-01-02 04:32:27 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
You have to think in these terms - God allows for things to happen to watch those reapthe "benefits" of that choice. Yes, God realized that Lucifer would become prideful and yet never once warned that angel. God allowed for Lucifer to fall and realize that he could now become the god of this world. God gives everyone and every being a choice and that choice will either glorify man or glorify God. It all comes down to a choice and that choice will either destroy you or will keep you alive.
2007-01-02 04:18:15 · answer #4 · answered by waeyeaw 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
True, but wouldn't non-existence interfere with Lucifer's free will? No, because if Lucifer never existed, he would have no free will to interfer with. Thus god is the cause of all suffering, or at least the creator.
I find it funny that they try to counter it saying that Lucifer used his free will to defy god. God knew he would turn against him, so it was intentional that lucifer turn against him. Why can't they agree to this?
2007-01-02 04:06:04 · answer #5 · answered by Baal 1 · 1⤊ 0⤋
look at it this way god created the ability to think and reason. So Lucifer and god are both concepts which we ourselves create. its the same as asking why god created Pepsi, the real question is why do people need to look at deity's like Jesus for good behavior and Lucifer for bad behavior. We create all of it in our head.
2007-01-02 04:09:20 · answer #6 · answered by chris s 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
believe it or not, jesus is referred to as lucifer.
Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star (Lucifer)."
Satan is not Lucifer. the Isaiah 12 reference is not satan, but is a babylonian king.
Satan also is the tester of god's creation. he is sent by god to test all important people to god. he tempts adam and eve and they failed god. he tempts jesus, he didn't fail god (of course, if you believe that jesus IS god, then that doesn't even make sense. but consider that jesus never claimed to be god and then this passage about satan being sent to tempt him and you'll see that maybe christianity has a few things backward.). Anyway, god needs satan, who roams about the earth leading the flock astray because when he succedes god is happy, and when he fails, god is happier.
Read Job, this is the best example of it. it outlines satan's purpose. notice how friendly satan and god are with one another! they do NOT sound the least like enemies! it is amazing what you can learn when you shed your dogma and just read it.
2007-01-02 04:23:17 · answer #7 · answered by Shawn M 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
To the two posters above, if god was omnipotent woudn't he know Lucifer would do this and why not head him off at the path before he could??
2007-01-02 04:06:06 · answer #8 · answered by Rico E Suave 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I think the best way to look at this is to wonder whether you'd rather someone loved you because they choose to or because they know no different. If God never allowed for there to be a choice, would he really delight in our fellowship? If there were NOT suffering would we even be able to recognize deliverance, or prosperity or joy? There is a difference between what God causes and what God allows.
2007-01-02 04:11:49 · answer #9 · answered by Patty C 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Lucifer was created as an angel of God; not evil.
It is Lucifer who chose to deny God and be his own god, thus becoming Evil itself.
your questions are kinda like "why is the sky blue?.
because that is what God wished to do.
why do you, a fallable human, think you have the right to question Almighty God's purposes?
kinda like the mouse asking the elephant why he doesn't paint his toenails, isn't it?
2007-01-02 04:04:11 · answer #10 · answered by Chef Bob 5 · 0⤊ 2⤋