There is so much evidence for atheist and Christian arguments. SO is presenting evidence the answer?

Question

Examples like

http://www.godisimaginary.com

or

http://www.allaboutworldview.org


So, evidence cannot solve things if there is so much contrary evidence.

Is this G-d saying "I will decide who comes to me and who doesn't" ??

Is this just an issue of the heart?

I believe its a heart thing. We all think open minds are wonderful. I feel faith comes from an open heart. You either have one or you don't.

And for the record, I love atheists and other faiths. G-d desires them more than He desires me. Fellow Christians, don't mock the potential next generation of repentant hearts! If love is not on it, stay silent.

So....should we just can all the "evidence" ??

Blessings to all for a wonderful 2007.
David T

Yoda, spend some time on the second website I list, there is ALOT of evidence.

Answer 1

Another answer asked.

There is no evidence for theism and atheism. It is a belief.

Christians believe that the [Christian] bible is the word of God as spoken through God's prophets. It is "revealed" knowledge. You either believe the prophets or you don't.

Gen 1.1 God who existed before created all the we can observe. This means God is in our observable world and outside of our observable world.

Science (which is where evidence is) can not describe God because the scientific method create theories that explain facts. Just to remind you, facts are observations made by men (note plural) independent of location. How do you observe something outside everything you can observe. This means God is not "observed" knowledge. This also means that there is no evidence to support it either way.

So we are back to revealed knowledge which requires you to believe or not to believe. So you are with God or without God, in either case, it is belief.

Have a happy new year David T.

Answer 2

"So....should we just can all the "evidence" ?"

What else have we got? Internal emotion or conviction is evidence too, up to and including hearing voices, and even that doesn't come with certainty attached.

I'm not sure the evidence is so much simply contrary, as that it reads differerently to people operating with different frameworks, "paradigms", (I know "paradigm shift" can be a cliché!) Pieces of evidence slot on to either theistic or atheistic frameworks. Most will fit on both without too much trouible: (Body plan: evidence of common creator or common ancestor?) It's the few bits that are awkward to fit, or whether overall the alternate framework would let the pieces fit together more comfortably, that prompts the decision to adopt one framework or another, for those thinking at that level.

I spent fifteen years as an adult using the framework that G-d was there, before I decided that the other viewpoint appeared (to me) more consistent with the data. Not to go with what I see as the truth would be dishonest.

And no, firing odd bits of "evidence" at each other, on its own, is very unlikely to help! There is a methodology, but it takes a lot of time and goodwill. (I think I read of it in C S Lewis!)

Answer 3

No, we should not can all the evidence. While both sides can come up with evidence, through an objective appraisal of that evidence one has a good chance of finding the truth. For example one might see that all evidence provided by Christians is shaky at best and usually downright wrong, and surmise that Christianity is ********.

If we're going to can something, why not the circular logic? The bible doesn't prove that the bible is true any more than Harry Potter proves Harry Potter is true.

Answer 4

Wow, a Christian admitting that there is evidence that supports Atheism? Wonders never cease.

That Christian website is hardly evidence. It simply asks a question and then gives the Bible's opinion on the answer.

Evidence is the answer. It is the only way that we humans have to decide whether to believe in something or not. Without evidence nothing deserves to be believed in.

Answer 5

I think I'm on board with your sentiments, but If not evidence then what?

If I demand evidence in my own belief, can't I ask for the same in others?

Or is this all just a pretty game of emotions?

Stating no one needs to prove anything is a way for even nonsense to become equal with truths. Kinda like the creation and evolution 'debate'.

Answer 6

so which you are the arbiter of what's and isn't any longer information? And what,pray tell, qualifies your meant authority? And once you assert information, do you examine with testimony,anecdotal, or analogocal? Or do you insist, wrongly. i could upload, that throughout uncomplicated terms actual/statistical information is proper- lower back, merely because of the fact which you assert so? Of the 4 crucial varieties of information, there are an abundance of the 1st 3 in Scripture, which you, on your ignorant and uneducated misuse of the term, carelessly brush aside. 3 out of four parameters met is sufficient for any courtroom docket. it may seem the logical fallacy is your very own. Get an wducation,

Answer 7

If God is saying that he will decides who comes to him, why should Christians try to convert anyone? Wouldn't that go against God's wishes?

"Issues of the heart" and "faith" are not justification of anything other than one's belief. They are not evidence.

Answer 8

I think it's not so much about the evidence as the way a person interprets it. Nobody's going to see it the same way as the next person. I really think that's what belief or non-belief boils down to.

Answer 9

In all honesty, David, I believe it depends on which side of the fence you stand on. Some of us just simply require more evidence than others.

Answer 10

I think we should all be proud of whatever we have faith in and go with it. Outside of that we should be able to look beyond religion to the human factor we all share.