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Faith, by definition, is believing in something without evidence to support that belief (Holy books cannot count as evidence, as they are not fully supported by anything other than themselves). So, by this definition of faith, can someone who bases their belief in god or gods claim to be 100% correct when they have only faith to back themselves up?

If yes, how so?

2007-01-01 10:29:04 · 21 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Were Holy Books able to be proven correct(or at least sponsored by a divine source), why would each faith have a different Holy Book(s)? There is no proof that the Bible was written by god, but plenty as to the error in that belief.

2007-01-01 10:38:27 · update #1

Socinian F- If my definition of faith is incorrect, what is a better one?

2007-01-01 10:40:33 · update #2

21 answers

your understanding is not quite right

it's believing without seeing on the faith that evidence will come later.

and yes;the Bible can be compared against creation to see if it's true;and so far everything matches up to me.

2007-01-01 10:33:06 · answer #1 · answered by Maurice H 6 · 2 1

First of all, your definition of faith needs to be expanded. Its not belief without evedince. Faith is, 1) what you have when the evidence isn't obvious (not the same as non-existant) and, 2) faith always has evidence, or else you wouldn't have anything to put your faith in.
I think I see what you're getting at with your question, so I'll answer it like this. First of all, faith isn't exclusive to the religious realm. People use faith every day. When you get into your car, you have faith that it will start and get you to where you want to go... unless it has a history of breaking down, then you lose faith because of the evidence presented. It is completely based on previous experiences. Now, as far as religion goes, most people that put their faith in God have a reason to. They have evidence, whatever it may be, that this is what they should do. Now, my question to you is, does the fact that someone else doesn't see or understand their reasons, negate the fact that they think they should have faith in God? I would say no. Conversely, does someone who has faith in God have the right to condemn someone who doesn't? Again, I would say no, because each person has to decide for themselves what they are going to believe. And once they decide on that, that is where they put their faith. For some, its God. For others, its science, but no matter what you choose, its going to be based on either your's or someone else's experience. Does this mean that they can't have a discussion and explain to the other their reasons? By all means, no.

Can a person be 100% correct about their beliefs?
Your belief is your belief. You wouldn't have it if you weren't 100% sure of it. Now, if you're asking which will turn out to be true, no man can answer that with 100% accuracy, because no man has ever been there.

2007-01-01 11:19:14 · answer #2 · answered by Reality check 2 · 1 0

That is not the definition of faith, that is your definition.
First if you want to understand biblical faith you must take biblical definitions, not your own.
Faith is based on evidence and supporting reasons, that is obvious and well known to any thinking person.
What you describe is not biblical faith, but wilful make believe and yes if a person just out of nowhere decides to make something up for no reaosn at all, and believe it in a sense, then that is without evidence or based on nothing but his blind will.
But that is not Christianity, Judaism, my friend
Thanks for asking.

Edit:
You are confusing make believe with faith which is confident expectation based upon past experience or other factors that are real.

2007-01-01 10:36:37 · answer #3 · answered by Socinian F 3 · 1 0

Faith always has an object. In the case of the Christian the object of our faith is Jesus Christ. His life is historically documented both by the secular community and by the accumulation of writings of witnesses of his time. In the last decade or so a man named Josh McDowell, a lawyer and atheist, set out to disprove the claims of this man called Jesus. His findings are in a book called The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict. His intent was to define Jesus as a fraud, if he existed at all. He now is a committed Christian. This is not a "preachy" book. It is written by a lawyer who presents the evidence he found for examination by the readers.

2007-01-01 10:52:24 · answer #4 · answered by youngatheart 3 · 0 0

The answer is Yes, and this is how so. We as Christians base our belief in God by faith in what was written in the word. As we daily see those words (promises) fulfilled, we are then able to be 100% correct about our beliefs. It's like driveing a car. When you come to a tall hill in the road you keep driving by your faith in the Dept of Transportation that they completed the road. You do not stop at every hill and run over to make sure the road continues do you?" And after you have past that hill you know 100% that your faith in the Dept of Transportation was correct. So you see, our faith IS NOT Unsupported after all.

2007-01-01 10:40:37 · answer #5 · answered by Heaven's Messenger 6 · 1 1

Before the Bible was considered a holy book it was a collection of historical records and letters of instruction and encouragement from eye witnesses telling of what they saw and were taught and told to teach others. Not just one eye witness but numerous. So no matter what you call it the bible can't be disounted as evidence because that would be disingenuous and deceitful. It has to be included, there is no way around it. Look it up.

2007-01-01 10:41:46 · answer #6 · answered by Daniel P 3 · 0 0

I believe in evolution. There is not absolute evidence the humanity evolved from amoeba, yet I believe in the evolutionary process. I realize as a Christian that God had everything to do with the beginning and process of all evolution.

Scientific evidence is clear that for all actions their is a reaction. God the creator is the First Action or First Cause of all evolution.

Just through faith and fact I believe in evolution and God. By the way, belief in God is easier to believe with supporting evidence than evolution.

2007-01-01 10:34:42 · answer #7 · answered by Lives7 6 · 1 1

Faith is belief beyond serious doubt. Blind faith can become very troublesome. Archaeologists dig up and prove the gynecology of the bible on a regular basis. A person claiming to be correct in their beliefs have that right because it is their belief and their faith.

2007-01-01 10:40:22 · answer #8 · answered by Eva 5 · 0 1

You know anytime people starts this ("I know more than you do") they make so many mistakes. Just like this one.
Many, that is more than a few documents of information about the events of Holy books are in fact documented by other authors from other places and times.
But of course if you adhere to the conspiracy theories, well all is lost.
More important!!! is you life or soul at stake if they are right or wrong. foolish waste of new year time.

2007-01-01 10:42:43 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Every thing that exists, every book ever written, every song ever sung, every life ever lived is evidence of something. So you must understand that what you call "(Holy books.." are in fact evidence. What they be evidence of and how we feel about it doesn't change the fact that they are evidence.

I really can't answer your question because faith is my support. It proves my beliefs and places me in personal fellowship with a loving God. Belief is just the spring board that puts my faith into position. A direction finder if you will. For me belief and faith are two totally different abilities and operate in entirely different ways. One is logical the other is poetry of sorts.

The Bible is part of my proof. It has roots in real time and in recorded history. It has testimoney from hundreds of sources and it matches and confirms what I hear and see in the spirit. In another way it can and does confirm the truth or falsehood of words, things and situations that are presented to me. And it unfolds revelation on spiritual matters. It is a living word and it is food for my spirit.

Your question assumes that the dictionary is right about belief and faith. My position and experience is that the first dictionary definitions of belief and faith are not functional for any spiritual or philosophical understanding.

Belief is somewhat abstract while faith is a very abstract word.
They have different definitions in Scripture and while used interchangeably are not true synonyms. Also the understanding of faith has degraded to a form of trust in certain lists of ideas or historic religious practices, dogmas and rituals.

When you get right down to Webster there is really no major difference between belief and faith. Faith is just belief which is more centered on religion and requires that you grunt harder to get it done! Faith then is holding on for dear life to something you cannot prove? Only an idiot would hold such a position. So when it comes to the most common definitions of belief and faith I can agree with you.

In Christianity the key word has been trust. Plugging trust into the equation in place of faith changes nothing.

BELIEF is any idea or concept that a person is prepared to act upon. This gets down to about the fifth definition, in my little dictionary, and allows for expectation, opinion and judgement and avoids trust and faith, creed and doctrine.

The best synonym for belief then is actually the word hypothesis. If you consider that a hypothesis can be set to test assumptions, as well as facts, it serves as a good definition of belief that will work for science, religion and every day living.

In Scripture the concept of belief just stated holds true in most cases; except where the translation says heart belief or belief from the heart. Heat belief and faith are synonyms. Belief, as mental assent, and faith are not synonyms.

Let us assume that belief is a mental function and faith is emotional. That is just one difference. Faith must have an emotional charge. When a team that believes it can win finds an adrenaline rush or a batter finds a psychological post, that result in a win or a home run, they show a type of faith. In Scripture the emotional charge is the love of God.

FAITH: A claim made on hope in the spoken or written word of God while acting under the influence of His love.* (For Christians a conscience void of offense is also required).

Faith then is not used to prove something to you or to anyone else. *Faith actually proves God; and calls into existance those things which are unseen. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith proves God, God proves you and gives you evidence of your belief. I offer proof in the form of testimoney that this belief has worked for me. My testimoney is evidence to accept or reject; but you cannot say it is not evidence or an offering of proof. I am saying that my experience shows, under oath, to be 100 per cent correct to the best of my knowledge. Your claim that I have no claim is avoiding the issue. Believe it or don't. Accept or reject and move on.

I do not rejoice with other Christians because they believe or think like I do. Many of us are far apart in our experience and understanding. I rejoice because the spirit I have tells me that they have the same spirit. We are like birds who have found each other and we sing the same song. Such an event is but one of dozens that happen daily in the spirit that confirm our faith. It makes us glad that we acted on the assumption (belief) that God is a rewarder of those who 'dilligently' seek Him. Every one must establish proof to their own satisfaction. We are our own judge and jury in this matter and Scripture says that men are condemed by the words they themselves utter.

Now people can speak or pray for others but there are few situations where one can have faith for someone else. In other words I cannot give you my proof of God. All I can do is testify. You have to judge my word and prove Him for yourself.

2007-01-01 15:18:48 · answer #10 · answered by Tommy 6 · 1 0

Go goes the insanity within a Christions mind. Is it any wonder that Christions are more likely to believe what they hear without proof as in KABOOM!, weight loss pills and other such garbage advertised on TV?

2007-01-01 10:46:30 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

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