We shouldn't drink alcohol, for it brings shame, its in the Holy Bible, will you go against GODS word?

Question

PROBERBS, 23:31-33 AND 1st. CORINTHIANS 6:10 (and just so you know when Jesus drank "the fruit of the vine" it ment crushed grapes, "grape jucie" sweetened waters.. it was only later that man introduced toxins to this to induce drunkeness.... :please take time to read the quotes in the Bible for yourself that i bring to you no lies.. may GOD bless you and keep you..

Answer 1

Is it not written that Jesus made water into wine at a wedding ceremony that he attended ?

Answer 2

I know you are well-meaning, and I do not wish to make you feel as if i believe you are not, however, your knowledge and understanding of the Word is greatly lacking. I suggest you do a few things: first, get a King James Bible for your primary reading tool; second, get a Companion Bible, which will have an appendix for each and every subject contained in the Word, and will tell you how each word was translated directly from the manuscripts; third, get a Strongs Concordance that will contain the dictionaries for all the Bible languages - greek, hebrew and chaldee. If you wish to study the Word deeper, i would be happy to help you further. Now lets look at this Wine issue:
Prov. 23:31-33 -- you need to back up and read verse 30, so that you capture the fact that it is speaking of people who "tarry long at the wine" meaning those who drink in excess so that they become drunk.
Corin 6:10 - again, this is speaking of drinking in excess until they are in the state of drunkiness.

The wine that Jesus drank can be translated back to Hebrew in the manuscripts and is very clear: the word is "yayin" , and means fermented wine, not grape juice. The water Jesus made wine at the marriage feast was not only Yayin, or fermented wine, but it was really really good quality fermented wine.
The Bible also states that a little wine (yayin) is good for the stomache. One of the blessings of the end times after Christs return will be that our people can plant vineyards and drink the wine thereof.
You need to rightly divide the word for understanding: It is not the wine that is sin. It is those people who use it in excess to its purpose, and who get so drunken by it that they do not have the ability to keep from sin - they are drunk, and don't know what the heck they are doing.

Answer 3

Wow are you mixed up. first of all, the bible says NOTHING about drinking wine being a sin. In the context of both of those scriptures, they are talking about drunkards and excessive drinking. people who drink to the point of intoxication. What you say is flawed thinking because as one of Jesus miracles, he made water into wine at a marriage feast (John 2:1-11) now logically, why would he do that if it brings shame to God? Read the whole bible not just a few scriptures. look at Proverbs 20:1, 1 Timothy 5:23, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, 1 Corinthians 5:11. they show that drinking to the point of being drunk is bad, not a little wine. Moderation is the key.

Answer 4

Please get your fact straight, is not the drinking of wine that is forbidden, but the overindulgence, or exaggerating, in excess when someone get drunk.

The recorded history of wine making is more than forty-three hundred years old, the oldest account telling how Noah planted a vineyard after the Flood and made wine from its grapes. (Gen. 9:20, 21) From earliest times this beverage has been used at mealtime, (Gen. 27:25; Eccl. 9:7) Wine, bread and other foods are often associated together. (1 Sam. 16:20; Song of Sol. 5:1; Isa. 22:13; 55:1) Melchizedek set “bread and wine” before Abraham. (Gen. 14:18-20) Jesus drank wine with his meals when it was available.—Matt. 11:19; Luke 7:34.
Wine was very much a part of special celebration—banquets (Esther 1:7; 5:6; 7:2, 7, 8; Dan. 5:1, 2, 4), wedding feasts (John 2:3, 9, 10; 4:46), and other festivals. (1 Chron. 12:39, 40; Job 1:13, 18) The royal commissaries were stocked with wines (1 Chron. 27:27; 2 Chron. 11:11); King Solomon had his “house of wine” (Song of Sol. 2:4); it was the customary beverage of kings and governors. (Neh. 2:1; 5:15, 18; Dan. 1:5, 8, 16) Travelers often included it in their provisions for the journey.—Josh. 9:4, 13; Judg. 19:19.

Please read these Scriptures.

Answer 5

The Bible condemns drunkenness, not drinking alcohol. The Passover where Jesus presented the cup of wine to his disciples was about 7 months after the grape harvest. That being the case, the juice would have been fermented and thus it would not have been simply grape juice.

In response to the e-mail you sent me, here is additional information:

My comment regarding the timing is based on history and the harvest season in that area. Usually the first ripe grapes appeared in the Jewish month Tammuz (June-July) and the grape harvest began in the month of Ab (July-August). The grape harvest was generally complete by the month of Ethanim or Tishri (September-October). That being the case, if you calculate from the end of the harvest period to the Passover which was held in the month of Nisan (March-April) you get about 7 months which would give you fermentation and thus wine.

Answer 6

Really. I believe that is a prohibition of drunkenness. Let me see, for proverbs you need to start at verse 30:

Proverbs 23 (NIV)
30 Those who linger over wine,
who go to sample bowls of mixed wine.
31 Do not gaze at wine when it is red,
when it sparkles in the cup,
when it goes down smoothly!
32 In the end it bites like a snake
and poisons like a viper.
33 Your eyes will see strange sights
and your mind imagine confusing things.
34 You will be like one sleeping on the high seas,
lying on top of the rigging.

I guess you never drank too much because if you did, you would have the feelings described.

Now for 1 Corinthians:

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Again, the word is drunkards. Drinking in excess as opposed to not drinking at all. The verse tells how the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God.

You seem to claim expertise, but wine is exactly that, wine. It is not grape juice; in fact, there is no place in the entire bible that discusses wine making. The word wine means wine.

Since you want to have your own incorrect version of the bible, make sure you get the context correct and that you really know your stuff. So far, there is no stuffing here.

Answer 7

Any fruit of the vine, will rapidly ferment, especially in warm temperatures such as the middle east and Israel. Hence it becomes wine, regardless of intent within a few days.

If you want to believe that passage means "grape juice", go right ahead, but I think you are deluding yourself to prove your point.

The bible taken in two or three versus at a time can mean anything. It is read out of context!!!

Luke 7:24 says 'That Jesus is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners'.

I suppose you either didn't read this passage, or you can reconcile Jesus as a fat drunk?

Answer 8

Are you serious? The bible is God's word or whatever and if you're saying "well don't just read that cause it won't make sense read the scholar's writing too" then you're saying the bible won't make sense and you shouldn't have to read any scholar's writing's to understand the bible. The bible is supposed to be the words to live by and if you need to further understand it with scholars writing's then you know in your heart the bible is pure crap.

Answer 9

If the drink mentioned in the Bible was crushed grapes, then why does the Bible say, "a little wine maketh the heart merry"? I never experienced being merry from grape juice. I think you should use moderation and not get slop drunk, injure anyone or make a fool of yourself but no, if I drink a glass of wine, I don't feel it is a "sin".

Answer 10

Wine is NOT grape juice. Without sugar, grape juice will ferment and Jews did not have access to sugar. Besides, Acts 2:13 states that the apostles mistook the Pentecost for drunkenness: "But others sneered and said, 'They are filled with new wine.'" Genesis also talks about Noah getting drunk on wine.

Answer 11

I believe as a Christian that it is alright to consume an alcoholic beverage with the clear understanding that you remained spiritually disciplined and obedient at all times while consuming it.

There is no scriptural reference telling us to abstain from alcohol. In fact, fermented wine was consumed by our Savior and His disciples. However, there are plenty of scriptural references telling us to abstain from drunkeness. Having an alcoholic beverage is not sinful. Being drunk is.

On the contrary, the Bible tells us as believers to be careful to not cause another Brother or Sister in Christ to stumble. If having an alcoholic beverage in the presence of your Brother or Sister in Christ causes him/her to stumble, then you should abstain from drinking the alocoholic beverage.

I personally enjoy a good glass of red wine or a glass of Grand Marnier on occasion. I have never become drunk and I am always sensitive to those that are around me regarding this issue.

Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses. 1 Tim. 5:23