One shred of "Evidence" that God does NOT exist?
No opinions please - just evidence. Thanks!
2006-12-29
17:21:03
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I agree with you Johnny, and I believe in faith alone, but 4 me, that's enough.
2006-12-29
17:29:50 ·
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Good point Jacob!
2006-12-29
17:32:49 ·
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I didn't put evolution in quotation marks, only "Evidence" Read and remember!
2006-12-29
17:35:20 ·
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ODG: Proof of what? And.... so sorry!!!!!
I had one too!
2006-12-29
17:37:55 ·
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It is a question Don. Please read it again!
2006-12-29
17:42:00 ·
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But there is also no "evidence" that G-d does exist. The bible is not proper evidence since it could be considered a mythological work like Greek mythological literature.
I do believe in G-d...And I need NO evidence... but I really don't care what atheist believe in, let it go if they don't believe in G-d, so what.
2006-12-29 17:24:57
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answered by Anonymous
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This question is so recurrent on this site that I have a standard answer. Sorry to all those who have read it already.
As for your evidence, please read the following:
Consider an empty box. If someone put a statue in a box and closed it up, there are several ways you can tell that the statue is in the box: you can weigh it; you can x-ray it; you can shake it. You can acquire evidence to indicate that there is a statue in the box. Now, remove the statue from the box and close it back up. Give the box to someone to prove that there is nothing in it and partner him or her with someone who believes there is something in the box, but it’s feature are unknown. If they weight it, the believer can say that it is something incredibly light; if they x-ray it, the believer can say that it is invisible to x-rays; if they shake it, the believer can say it doesn't move. You know there's nothing in the box because you removed the statue, but the believer can come up with an infinite number of ways to say the other person is wrong. One could even cross-reference all the tests to show that all the signs that there is something in the box don't indicate that anything is in there now, but the believer can keep coming up with ridiculous ideas because he or she isn’t limited by evidence.
This is similar to humanity's experience with God. The more we come to understand about the universe through science the more tests we put on the box, and the more tests show us that there is nothing there. The history of science is the deconstruction of what we used to assume was God's role in the universe. Some of the basic scientific beliefs you probably hold today were considered heresy back only a few hundred years ago. Everything that people said were indications that God was in the box: the sun revolving around the earth, the earth as the center of the universe, divine right of kings, disease, famine, complexity, etc. have been proven time and again to correspond to the basic physical laws. God went from directing the Sun across the sky, to not even being in control of the weather. All God seems to do today is maybe randomly answering some people’s prayers, but not all people and certainly not all of the time—not enough to give up one’s health insurance. All of our provable repeatable data points to nothing being in the box. That's your evidence. And like the box, someone keeps trying to come up with ways to say the tests don't tell us everything, but those critics don't come up with a way to show us with evidence that there is anything in the box. We've done our tests and shown our data, we're waiting for someone else to come up with the evidence that we're wrong.
2006-12-29 18:07:27
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answered by One & only bob 4
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You're arguing the contrapositive here, which is a logical fallacy. No proof of nonexistence is NOT proof of existence.
But to answer your question -- according to philosopher Ken Wilbur, there are three sources of insight: empirical, emotional and spiritual. He further makes the point that no argument from insight that is valid in one realm is applicable in the other. In other words, attempting an empirical proof of spiritual reality will produce a void result regardless of what the truth is.
By this worldview, you cannot prove the existence of God, and if you could, all it would prove is that he is some empirical object, and therefore not God, which would disprove your point. Similarly, those who wish to disprove the existence of a deity (rather than just demonstrating the empirical lack of necessity for such) must do so using arguments applicable to spirtual insight.
Very interesting comment. But if I may be so bold, next time please bring questions, not arguments. :-) No offense intended, by the way.
peace
2006-12-29 17:30:27
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answered by Don M 7
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Can you prove Santa Claus doesn't exist? No. You can't provide one shred of evidence to disprove him so he must be real... Flying reindeer, elves, and the North Pole workshop too. Let's not forget about leprechauns. What about the Greek gods and goddesses like Zeus, Apollo, Pan, Athena, Aphrodite, Ares, and Hades? Nope you can't disprove them either! Sorry they must be real too. Your attempt to prove there is a God in this manner is absolutely ludicrous and in my opinion seems to have open a new can of worms for you. Now you not only have to prove your God is real but that these others are not.
2006-12-29 17:49:30
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answered by atheist_2_u 4
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There is zero evidence that a god exists.
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
Atheists can't prove a negative.
God cannot be proven or disproved.
Evolution can be seen as evidence against God.
Do NOT put Evolution in quotation marks... it's a real word with meanings that apply to this discussion.
2006-12-29 17:25:20
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answered by Anonymous
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I am not an atheist or a pastafarian, but the Flying Spagetti Monster and God are in the same boat. No evidence for or against their existence.
2006-12-29 17:45:18
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answered by novangelis 7
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There is as much either way.
The difference is, atheists aren't starting at the supposition that there could be a god and then looking for evidence. Nobody is born knowing about God; we are told about God later. Atheists simply haven't seen the evidence *for* God, and have no need to find evidence against.
2006-12-29 17:23:29
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answered by angk 6
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The burden of proof is on the positive, you have no evidence that an invisible fire breathing dragon is not whispering in my ear right now. There can never be proof of non-existence but any serious intellectual enquiry into the existence of god always comes up with no evidence of his/its existence.
2006-12-29 17:22:41
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answered by fourmorebeers 6
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How about those FUNDIE Atheists and their little web sites. Don't those just look like the FUNDIE Christian ones and read almost the same.
At least the real ones know better and know one way or the other is hard to prove on either side of the equation.
2006-12-29 17:27:19
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answered by Anonymous
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The belief in the highest Deity is based on faith alone. Nothing else.
2006-12-29 17:26:55
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answered by Sick Puppy 7
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