If you canj't accept that the universe came into being naturally, then something more powerful and complex must also have a maker. This is your logic, not mine.
Please no silly answers like he was always there, like the universe he must have some beginning.
I believe that he was created in the minds of men. Convince me that I'm wrong.
2006-12-29 12:53:19 · 20 answers · asked by Nemesis 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Hmmm, lot of cur and paste here. So what you are saying is something as relatively simple as the universe (and man) had to be created but god came from nothing.
I haven't read all mainworryý cut & paste yet but the beginning seems to argue that god come from our awareness. Does that mean he didn't exist until we made him up?
2006-12-29 13:00:03 · update #1
I've completed reading mainworry's post. Mostly irrelevant, totally illogical
2006-12-29 13:05:50 · update #2
Oksana uses the classic circular argument
2006-12-29 13:07:02 · update #3
Lunarsigh... well stated
2006-12-29 13:30:17 · update #4
You actually do raise a valid point. When Christians use "something can't come from nothing" to verify that a God created the universe, the irony is one must apply that same reasoning to God Himself. If something can't come from nothing, then in theory, God also would need to have a creator of His own.
(My personal opinion is that our 'universe' was likely spawned from branes crashing together in a larger inter-dimensional medium. Now, as far as who created these branes go - perhaps they are cells? Maybe the creator and the created are all one in the same?)
2006-12-29 13:03:48 · answer #1 · answered by Lunarsight 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
First, let's begin with the Biblical answer. Take a look at Rev 22:13; words spoken by God Himself: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." God didn't say I have a beginning, He said, I am the beginning. That means that there was nothing before God.
We can further prove that point by bringing out the flaws in the question. I love how GotQuestions.com puts it:
...The question does not even make sense. It is like asking, "What does blue smell like?" Blue is not in the category of things that have odor, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, God is not in the category of things that are created, or come into existence, or are caused. God is uncaused and uncreated - He simply exists.
Another problem with this question is that if you use it to go further backwards, you could go on forever. "If God created the world and some else created God, and someone else created the someone who created God, and someone else created the someone else who created...." This is actually a problem with many arguments that atheists give, including "the earth came from the Big Bang." Well then, where did the Big Bang come from? Obviously, there's something wrong with these statements because they cannot have definite answers.
As we have found out, the question, "who created God?" is weak. No-one did. Now, comes the matter of proving that, which is actually pretty easy. Let's walk through it step-by-step. For someone to create God, there would have to be someone before God. However, 'before' and 'after' are measures of time. It is necessary for time to exist to allow there to be a 'before.' The Bible says that God created all things, and therefore created time itself. Time came into existance only after God created it; God Himself lives outside of time. If God lives outside of time, He is not a product of time. 'Before' is impossible without time, therefore, there was nothing before God, and no one to create Him.
2006-12-29 20:56:07 · answer #2 · answered by Oksana 2 · 1⤊ 2⤋
I may have been the Christian who started the phrase "something can't come from nothing". Let me explain - if as atheists believe - there is no intelligent force or energy that started the beginning of creation, I assume that at one time there was nothing - a void - endless space and then things just started to happen of their own accord regardless of which theory of evolution is accepted, regardless of time, until we have what we have today, something from nothing.. My statement of something can't come from nothing was based upon the premise that intelligence cannot create itself
and without an intelligent force (without ending or beginning) it takes great faith and imagination to imagine the impossible - that creation created itself. I stand by my conviction that an intelligent force that always existed, was not created, had no ending or beginning, started the process..
2006-12-29 21:30:33 · answer #3 · answered by neptune 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You can't get something from nothing in our world. God is not of our world. There are places where time does not exist, ponder that for a moment. The only place where a beginning is necessary is a place that has time. A timeless place does not require that its occupants have beginnings. What is the name of God? I Am. Not I was, Not I will be some day. I Am.
2006-12-29 20:58:47 · answer #4 · answered by Maranzano 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
God, and those that believe in him, do not have to prove him to you. God, if existent, which I believe he is, is infinite, forever into the past and future. It makes complete sense, that an infinite being, created the universe just the way the bible says. It all works. LOL, at your request for no particular "silly answers". Just what if, they were the right ones. Man, you don't want to see what is right in front of you!
2006-12-29 20:56:09 · answer #5 · answered by oceansnsunsets 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
From the Christian bible:
God existed before he created everything that man can observes. From the name God gave to Moses, YHWH, God has no beginning and no end. The earth (where you and I are) has both.
This is what God reveal. Now the only question is do you believe it? Do you believe what the prophets said? Or do you believe that the prophets made it up.
It is about belief, not augment.
2006-12-29 21:00:44 · answer #6 · answered by J. 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Did Universe come into being out of nothing? If not then was matter always present? But doesn't that imply infinity which is illogical to me.
2006-12-29 20:59:32 · answer #7 · answered by A fan 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
A Deist believes that all things came from God who was always here . An Athiest believes all things came from nothing. The truth is only God can reveal the truth to you.
2006-12-29 20:58:02 · answer #8 · answered by djmantx 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
When god created the universe he created time and space. He exists independent of time and space so there is no before or after for him.
2006-12-29 20:57:59 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
That's the beauty of it all, He didn't come from anywhere or anything. The fact that our finite minds cannot comprehend the omnipresence of God has no bearing on anything whatsoever. And why do you need to be convinced? You seem to be comfortable in your philosophy. Move on to bigger and better things.
2006-12-29 21:02:11 · answer #10 · answered by AK 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋