Judgment and hell.
2006-12-28 15:28:48
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answered by Fish <>< 7
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Well, you hit me on a good subject because I've been spending a lot of time lately trying to reconcile Christianity as it is today with its Jewish roots. After rather a great deal of study, I've come to some distressing conclusions. I'm gonna say up front that I'm really pretty sympathetic to Christianity and it's not my intention to offend anybody. This is purely academic.
The gentile says, "this guy is the messiah." The Jew says, "no he isn't." In a sensible universe, that should end the conversation. To say otherwise is to say that the Jew has misunderstood his own religious tradition. That's a bit cheeky, to say the least. It's sort of like a nonChristian saying that holy communion is really a Christian misunderstanding of his own religious tradition because any sensible person should see right away that it is a thinly vieled pagan blood rite and therefore an abomination in the eyes of God.
I would never think of saying that to a devout Christian in anything other than an academic spirit, so why does the Christian find it so easy to dismiss the very Judaism on which his theology depends?
Inasmuchas you asked, my conclusions are as follows:
I think that it's a real shame that Christianity was polluted by so much Egyptian and Roman paganism. Christianity would be so very different today had it not been for Roman influence especially. Christians would have done better had they not tried to diefy Christ. That sort of thing was very unJewish, but extremely Roman.
The answer I came to is unfortunately that nothing is going to happen because the guy never came back from the dead and he wasn't the messiah in the first place. And if he had come back to life, that fact alone would not necessarily make him the messiah according to Jewish tradition on the subject. At least I think he wasn't the messiah prophesied in Daniel and Isaiah. He was something unique, more akin to a Buddha. Me, I think that the whole idea of a messiah is just so much babylonian captivity bs anyway.
If Jesus was a messiah of any kind, he certainly wasn't the messiah of the Jews according to Jewish messianic tradition. However, as things have worked out historically, one might argue that he has become a kind of messiah of gentiles, because it is only through Jesus that the gentile can claim access to any sort of covenant with the god of Abraham. Before the appearance of the Romanized Jesus, that sort of covenant was just not available to the gentile. The Jews, on the whole, rejected him because they darned well knew what their messianic tradition was and could hardly have done otherwise. The Christians gave up on the Jewish ministry and began moving instead right into the enemy camp in Rome.
Where I believe the Christian goes wrong is when he clings to the erroneous and theologically immature notion that his covenant "supercedes and erases" the original one, when in point of fact, they have to coexist. If the Jewish covenant is invalid, then so is the Christian covenant because the whole theological scheme depends on the validity of Jewish messianic tradition. If God won't keep his covenant with the Jews, then why do you think he'll keep his word to anybody else? The Jew IS the covenant, while the Christian requires Jesus to get him there. Too, the covenants couldn't be more different. One wonders why it is that the Jewish covenant with the god a Abraham is, "Obey my law and you will be a people and have the land forever", while the Christian covenant stresses faith in the divinity of their messiah in exchange for eternal life, which under any other circumstances would be rightly regarded as idolatry. The messianic tradition on which Christianity depends would certainly seem to take that view. The Jewish tradition on this is that the human form cannot contain (which is to say, confine) the spirit of God. Hence, the messiah cannot be divine and was never prophesied to be so..
Whatever Jesus was, it is my considered opinion that he was something utterly different from the prophesied Jewish messiah. If what Christians believe of him is true, then he is something much greater than merely the messiah of prophesy.
BTW, I do view with some bit of reservation the notion that God's reaction to us depends on our reaction to him. "Nonbelievers will be damned for all eternity." Dude, I have to say that that is about as primitive as it gets.
2006-12-28 15:40:22
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answered by neoimperialistxxi 5
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Good question! I'd recommend reading the "left behind" book series by Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye for that answer!
When Jesus returns for the first time, it will be for the rapture of the church, which not every Christians believes in. But during the rapture, there will be a lot of people who will finally believe. In fact the estimate is that more people will become Christians during that time than right now. The difference is that if the rapture does occur, those who are left behind will go through a lot of hardship that if they believed in Jesus beforehand would have avoided.
So, if a lot of people suddenly disappear, don't buy the public story about where everyone disappeared to.
2006-12-28 15:36:14
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answered by Searcher 7
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All of you that have not accepted Christ should hope that he returns soon. You would be left behind but would have a chance to change your mind about Christ. It takes one second of time to believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as your Savior. Remember not to take the mark of the beast. I pray that he returns while you are alive so that you have a chance. Peace out.
2006-12-28 15:33:40
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answered by Lucy 3
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There are two separate events that are going to occur. One is the return of Christ to the earth when he establishes his Government on earth in Jerusalem for 1000 years. The other is the White Judgment seat of Christ, where sinners will be judged. It's at THAT time that non-believers will be banished to hell.
But right when Christ returns? First of all, it's going to be during the battle of Armageddon and lots of are going die. It will be to late for them unless they make a decision before they parish.
For those that live, I reckon they'll still have a chance to make a choice.
2006-12-28 15:37:01
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answered by Anonymous
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The word ,or Bible speaks very plain .Each of us most interpret the meaning with our own understanding by reading and praying. Jesus is the Savior of the lost,through him will you see eternal life.I would like to add that children arn`t lost,or held accountable untill their old enough to really know right from wrong.Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto me for such is the kingdom of Heaven.
2006-12-28 15:31:40
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answered by greenstateresearcher 5
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Hopefully they will get an opportunity to repent and recognize Christ as Lord
2006-12-28 15:37:20
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answered by Gods child 6
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some will convert and the rest will be put away for a time and wait for the white throne judgment and the second Resurrection which is at the end of the 1000 years in revelations..
2006-12-28 15:29:57
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answered by bungyow 5
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Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that jesus Christ is L-rd.
David
2006-12-28 15:37:37
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answered by ? 4
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"So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth". - Jesus (Matt. 13:49)
2006-12-28 15:30:19
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answered by Anonymous
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You mean those who are still alive on earth? They have the opportunity to receive Him as savior. Only those who die, having rejected Jesus, are lost forever. As long as you still live and breathe, you have the chance to repent of your sins and confess Christ as Lord, and be saved.
2006-12-28 15:29:28
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answered by Esther 7
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