Are creationists missing the point?

Question

In every evolution question i ask of them they always scurry further down the rabbit hole and find another place to hang their "god did it" answer. It seems they are missing the point completely.

If one says that complex things need a begining, and that god is that begining how can they soundly state that god has no begining? God, by his very nature would have to be extremely complex, why then does god not need a designer?

Similarly, how is it so difficult to believe that matter (something that is undeniably real) has simply always existed, however it seems (to them at least) easier to believe that god (something that is highly questionable in terms of existence) has?

Answer 1

the problem with creationism is that it starts with the default assumption that god already exists and then tries to make the facts jive with this initial assumption, it's backwards, you should first start with the observable and then formulate a hypothesis that explains the things that we can observe

Answer 2

Ohhh Christie Christie Chrisie... Your kidding acceptable??? ... no longer actual in any respect.. there are various flowers and animals and bugs that are alive at present that tournament the fossil checklist. The liquidambar plant is supposedly 20 million years old in fossils yet grows at present interior the U. S. yet once you dont understand what a liquidambar is attempt a shrimp... fossil shrimp and living shrimp seem alike. There are all styles of fossils unchanged from animals at present, even living timber, bugs and animals. they are many times stated as living fossils The Horshoe crab, the Bee, the ant, the Wallami pine of Austrailia a tree from DIno situations (supposedly >sixty 5 million years in the past), coelacinth fish Creationists have faith in a minimum of three styles of animal adaptiations a million) after the front of guy's sin int he international animals have been stricken by utilising the fall as dath entereed the international 2) each animal variety can adapt yet no longer grow to be anothe variety 3) the atmosphere significantly replaced after the flood, making the international much less hosptiable to 3 styles of animals like dinosaria Many animals have been greater effective. there have been 8 ft beaver in usa, 6 ft milipeeds in England and Canada, yark stick wingspan of dragon flies... maximum issues have been greater effective... they lived longer and grew in the past the flood ... in an extremely diverse international you're soooo incorrect Christie... yet there is often desire... and the hopes call is Jesus !

Answer 3

It's not hard to imagine something HAS always existed and WILL always exist. Creationists have always believe that!

Go, go to Radio Shack, put a bunch of electronic parts into a box and shake them up until you get an X-Box with no intellegent design.

Go to a chemsitry store and buy some Amino Acids and shake them in a tube and come back to us when you produce an Amoeba or a Microbe or a Germ or any other organic thing that wasn't in the Aminos to begin with.

Then we can talk and even help you by recomending you to the Nobel committe for consideration as to having ACTUALLY PROVED something.

Answer 4

OK if matter has always existed then why not God. All discussions about where things came from at some point come down to faith. Nobody was here to see what happened and the science can't provide an answer to how things begin. I choose to believe the God created everything. You choose to believe it all just was and is. If I'm right, you'll have eternity to ponder your mistake. If your right, I'll be dead, end of story.

Answer 5

Ok... again, I'm not a Christian, but you are seriously missing a point here.

You are failing to understand that something can exist outside of the universe. As such, it is not bound by linear time.

People tend to believe that everything is an effect, and that as such, needs a cause. True, every effect has a cause, but not every cause is of itself an effect.

In Christian theology, God is the "uncaused CAUSE". God is a cause, and not an effect. Theology, stating that God is ETERNAL, or outside of our sense of time (as would have been the case if he was the author of space-time) needs no prior cause.

Your statements simply boils down to "what happened before anything happened?" It is looking for a primal cause and then saying "what happened before that?"

The simple answer is that before anything happened, nothing happened. God was in the beginning, and will be after the end. Being outside of time allows for such existence.

Again, I'm not Christian, but the logical Christian arguments don't defy logic. Looking for a way around them, you're really asking questions that have already been answered, and you just ask a different way because you don't understand the answer. It's not a rabbit hole, (although for some Christians it might be as they themselves don't understand their theology very well), but the answer is on solid logical grounding.

Answer 6

He tells us in His word(the bible) that He is without beginning and without ending. You either believe Him or you don't. I believe Him.
It does all boil down to faith. I have faith that God is in control and that He is who He says He is. Just as you appear to have faith that matter has always existed. You see it now but you really cannot prove it's beginning either. It's not a rabbits hole. It's belief in a far far superior intelligent creator. That being Almighty God, Father of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. He existed and yet the people who existed with HIm did not believe.

So it all comes down too what are you really gonna have faith in?
Things that are created or the creator? I encourage you to search the Bible for the answers. If you will read it with an open, inquisitive mind. Take a leap and send out a question(even though you don't believe) to God asking Him to reveal truth too you. I promise you, He will reveal Himself. I hope and pray that you take that leap. Even if just out of curiosity. I have equal faith in His love for you or any other who reads this that He will answer you. In fact it's His desire to have a relationship with you.
He truely is an AWSOME AWSOME GOD.
Blessings,
Dave

Answer 7

You can’t look at God in human terms. Accept for one second that God is who he says he is. Now wouldn’t that take a power infinitely beyond anything we humans can comprehend?

I’m willing to accept on Faith that God is who he says he is. I’m not capable of understanding the whole picture, being limited by human understanding. What God chooses to reveal to us in miniscule in the grand scheme of things because he can only reveal what we are capable of understanding.

I have no problem accepting current research on evolution and DNA. But our sciences tell us nothing about God and never will. Our endeavors will always be limited by human understanding.

Whether you accept creation as described in Genesis or in the current thinking on evolution, I believe in the eyes of God it would be the difference of looking at somebody with a nursery school education and somebody with a kindergarten level education. It is arrogance beyond belief to think that we have enough knowledge to comprehend the whole picture.

Answer 8

i think you're missing the point. i believe in evolution but i also believe that the universe couldn't just be that it was created. how could everything emerge from nothingness? and its not hard for me to believe that God existed without being made because the world had to be begun from somewhere. the point is that if there was a God that made the entire universe, do you think that he would be so easy to understand? You cant dismiss the possibility of God so you should consider how powerful God would be if he did exist. what God is like is out of our sphere of thinking and knowledge. and i'm not avoiding the question i do see what you mean. but thats just what i believe.

yes, what Deirdre H just said

Answer 9

Nice avatar.

It seems reasonable that something extremely simple (in terms of Kolmogorov Complexity ) could "Just Exist". But the definition of gods theists use is anything but simple. I think the more reasonable answer is that nature is extremely simple but that it looks complex because we see so little of it.

Answer 10

Although there are probably creationists who believe differently, I think many creationists believe in a creator because they need purpose or meaning for this life. Alternative theories do not supply this.