are the jehovah witness confussed about te 144,000 ?

Question

hi frienmds i am a indndent fundamental baptist ok let u know that.
today is the day of salvation .
are u saved my friend 144,000 is not judt the only ones going to heaven . jesus said except a man be born again he cannot see the kindgom of god john 3;3 and 1 john 1;7 and the blood of jesus christ his son cleaseth us from all sin.
turn to jesus today repent of your sins except ye repent ye shall all likwise perish luke 13;3
for whosever shall call upon te name of te lord shallbe saved romans 10;13 and for all have sinned come short of the glory of god romans 3;23 and today we need to pray we are all sinners .

hell is no joke my friends jesus loves u but satan hates u wants u to spend eternity in hell mark 9;48 where their worm dieth not and te fire is not quenched revelation 20;15 for whosever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire . turn to jesus today repent of your sins amen , in jesus rodney

Answer 1

I have asked the JW'S this same question whenever I have talked with them. They keep telling me that ONLY 144,000 will go to Heaven but if you will read verse 9 it says a MULTITUDE.

Verses 4 thru 8 tell the numbers and tribes but Verse 9 says;

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

I have always asked them to please explain how many are in a MULTITUDE like this verse says. They have NEVER been able to explain that or WHO those MULTITUDES ARE.

I think I would rather try to be counted among those MULTITUDES then just be on Earth. Because the Scriptures also state that Crist is on a higher level of heaven than on Earth.

Answer 2

No they are not confused about the 144,000. Some have said that this is actual Jews, but if you'll note, there are tribes listed that did not exist. If you go further, it mentions a different group a great crowd that would survive Armageddon. 144,000 are to rule as kings and priest with Jesus over the great crowd. The great crowd are the meek that inherit the earth.

The 144,000 have been being filled since Jesus died by faithful men and women through time, many were Jews, those appointed at penecost 33 c.e.. Jehovah's Witnesses do not feel that 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses living TODAY are the only ones that have gone to heaven. 99% of Jehovah's Witnesses look forward to living on the earth forever.

The bible is a huge book and it's whole theme is God's Kingdom with Jesus as it's king, and the miracles that Jesus performed on earth foreshadowed what he will do for the meek on earth. Resurrect the dead, cure the sick etc...

Yes we need to accept Jesus as the Messiah, repent of our sins and ask forgiveness and turn away from those sins. But that is not all the bible has to say. You need to do some research and read the whole bible. Do some research on hell....what is it? where did the hellfire doctrine come from?? Is it taught in the bible? John 17:3 says "this means everlasting life taking in knowledge of you the only true God and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ."

Answer 3

what's it appropriate to the 144000 going to heaven? "additionally, he measured its wall, one-hundred and 40-4 cubits, in accordance to a guy's degree, on the comparable time an angel's." What appropriate to the others hundreds of thousands of Jehovah Witnesses interior the international? “however the meek ones themselves will very own the earth, and that they're going to certainly locate their beautiful delight interior the abundance of peace.” additionally what appropriate to the billions of others who've already died? "do no longer ask your self at this, simply by fact the hour is coming wherein all those interior the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, people who did solid issues to a resurrection of existence" and how do the 144000 get chosen? "God chosen the silly issues of the international, that he could desire to place the sensible adult adult males to shame; and God chosen the susceptible issues of the international, that he could desire to place the stable issues to shame; and God chosen the ignoble issues of the international and the flaws regarded down upon, the flaws that are actually not, that he could desire to deliver to no longer something the flaws that are, in simple terms so no flesh could desire to boast interior the sight of God." And the place is biblical data for this? Revelation 14:3 "and that they are making a song as though a sparkling song in the past the throne and in the past the 4 living creatures and the elders; and no person grow with a view to grasp that song however the hundred and 40-4 thousand, who've been offered from the earth."

Answer 4

Yes. Not to be taken literally. A lot of numbers in scripture are symbolic. 12 x 12 x 1000= 144000. 12 x the 12 tribes of Israel or the 12 desciples x 1000 to signify a large number.
You have a busy day and say you had a thousand or million things to do. Nobody takes this literally but gets the point you had a lot to do.

Answer 5

The Witnesses seem to take small verses and make them into their whole religion. Christian take the whole book find it to be the revelation of Jesus Christ and make Him the source of our lives both temporal and eternal... This 144,000 are single men 12,00 from each tribe of Israel to go into the world at the time of the end and help others come to Jesus before it's time to finally close the door an d have the judgment begin... Jim

Answer 6

It's just a way to try to make their followers look elite to others. The 144K get in by converting more people or paying more money in tithes in the form of those ridiculous Awake and Watchtower magazines.

If you ever attend one of their services you'll see it's constant regurgitation. The person conducting the service will ask a question that is in bold in one of the magazines with the answer right underneath it, and someone will raise their hand and read the quote. How is that for independent thought?!

The part of JW that I do respect is how they do try to lead moral lives and do what their religion tells them is right. That's something that is extremely rare amongst "mainstream" Christians.

Answer 7

Harpazo = Rapture

END-TIME BIBLE PROPHECY

The Messiah Lord Jesus said BIRTH PANGS would signal the time of the end (Matthew 24:8). There are NINE birth pangs, they are all PRE-TRIBULATIONAL and the 1st three already occurred.

The first birth pang was worldwide conflict coupled with famines and earthquakes (Matthew 24:7-8). Worldwide conflict was fulfilled in 1914-1918, major famines happened in 1918-1921 and most of the world’s major earthquakes began to occur since 1900.

The second birth pang was the restoration of a Jewish State (Ezekiel 20:33-38; Ezekiel 22:17-22; Ezekiel 36:22-24; Zephaniah 2:1-2). This was fulfilled in 1948.

The third birth pang was Jewish control of the Old City of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:1-2). For the third Jewish Temple (Tribulation Temple) to be rebuilt, Jerusalem needs to be under Jewish control and this was accomplished in the Six Day War in 1967.

The fourth birth pang will be the Ezekiel 38 war. Russia, allied states of Iran, Ethiopia, Somalia, Germany and Armenia will invade Israel. God will miraculously destroy the invading army by earthquake, civil war among the invading soldiers, pestilence, blood, flood, hailstones, fire and brimstone. This will bring a revival in Israel where many Jews will turn to the Lord, and Israel will spend 7 years and 7 months burying the bodies and burning for fuel the military equipment left behind (Ezekiel 39:9-16).

The 5th birth pang will be the development of a one world government (Daniel 7:23-24).

The 6th birth pang will be the splitting of the one world government into 10 kingdoms and this Ten Kingdom Stage will continue until mid-Tribulation (Daniel 7:24).

The 7th birth pang will be the revelation of the Antichrist (II Thessalonians 2:1-3; Daniel 7:24).

The 8th birth pang will be a period of peace and false security that will be shattered by the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3).

The 9th and final birth pang before the Tribulation is the signing of the 7-year covenant between Israel and the Antichrist. THIS EVENT IS WHAT BEGINS THE (7-year) TRIBULATION - NOT THE RAPTURE!

The Rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) is also a pre-tribulational event (Luke 21:34-37; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-10; Revelation 3:10; Revelation 19:6-8). The fact that the Church is not mentioned in any of the Tribulation Scriptures proves the Rapture is pre-tribulational. All raptured Christians will receive glorified bodies (Romans 8:22-23; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54)) and it can happen at any second.


THE FIRST HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 6-9 AND 17)

The Ministry of 144,000 sealed Jewish believers will bring many throughout the world to accept Christ.

There will be a powerful Ministry of Two Witnesses who will also be anointed Jewish believers.

A one world religious system (Babylon the Harlot) will rule. Under this one world religious system, many who are saved during the Tribulation will suffer persecution and death.

The Political system of the 10 kings of the one world government will continue.

During the first half of the Tribulation there will also be war, worldwide famine, death (1/4 of the world’s population will die), a huge earthquake, a blackout and a meteor shower. 1/3 of earth’s dry surface will be destroyed, 1/3 sea life and salt water will be destroyed, a fallen angel called Wormwood will make 1/3 of earth’s fresh water bitter, 1/3 of earth’s natural light sources will be destroyed, there will be another blackout and demons in the form of “locust-scorpions” will come up out of the abyss led by Abaddon their king and they will inflict harm and pain for five months upon those who are not sealed by God (unbelievers). Another demonic invasion will occur and the demons involved will be led by four fallen angels who will be released from the Euphrates River and this army will kill 1/3 of the earth’s population.


MID-TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES IN REVELATION 10-14 AND 17)

The Antichrist will war against the 10 kings, and during the war the Antichrist will be killed.

Satan will be cast out of the atmospheric heavens onto earth and will resurrect the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will kill 3 kings (the kings of Syria, Egypt and Mesopotamia) and the 7 other kings will submit to him.

The Antichrist will kill the Two Witnesses in Jerusalem and the wicked people will celebrate this event. Three and a half days afterwards, God will resurrect the Two Witnesses and take them up to Heaven and the people who celebrated will become terrified. The city of Jerusalem where the murder of the Two Witnesses occurred will then suffer an earthquake which will kill 7,000 people.

The False Prophet will receive from Satan the power to perform great miracles and will deceive many. The False Prophet will command all people to worship the Antichrist and have persons create an image to the Antichrist. The False Prophet will use his satanic powers to give it life and the ability to speak. The False Prophet will cause those who refuse to worship the Antichrist and the image to be killed.

The False Prophet will issue his own counterfeit seal known as the Mark of the Beast and it will be placed on all those who surrender to the Antichrist’s authority and accept him as god. Those who refuse to take this mark will not be able to buy or sell. Those who take this mark will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

The Antichrist will break the seven-year covenant he made with Israel, cause the sacrifices to stop, sit in the Jewish Temple, declare to the world that he is really God and set up an idol called the Abomination of Desolation in the Temple (Daniel 9:27; Daniel 12:11; Matthew 24:15-16; 11Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 13:11-15).

Through the Antichrist and the False Prophet, Satan will attempt to destroy the Jews once and for all but he will fail because 1/3 of the Jews will succeed in fleeing into the wilderness. These Jews who escape will accept the Lord Jesus as their Saviour during the Tribulation (Zechariah 13:7-9) and while they are in hiding, God will miraculously provide for them (Zechariah 13:8-9; Isaiah 41:17-20). Divine intervention will also destroy the pursuing army.


THE SECOND HALF OF THE TRIBULATION (SUPPORTING VERSES FOUND IN REVELATION 15, 16, 18, 19, 20)

In the second half of the Tribulation, those with the Mark of the Beast will suffer skin sores, the remainder of sea water and fresh water will be destroyed, the sun will cause terrible burns and the wicked will blaspheme God. There will be yet another blackout and persons will suffer gnawing pains.

Babylon will be the center of world economy and political system but Babylon will be swiftly destroyed by fire and become uninhabitable for man.

The Antichrist will locate the Jews who sought refuge in the wilderness and surround them with his armies to wipe them out. The Lord Jesus will then descend from Heaven with His angels and Saints. He will come with great glory riding upon a horse and will destroy the Antichrist, the False Prophet and all of their armies. After this, a loud voice will cry out “It is done!” followed by the greatest earthquake in the earth’s history and hail weighing 120 pounds will fall.

At the end of the Tribulation, there will be another blackout, the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken (Matthew 24:29), the Antichrist and the False Prophet will be thrown into the eternal Lake of Fire and Satan will be cast into the Abyss and bound for 1,000 years.


THE MILLENNIUM

The Lord Jesus will reign over the entire earth during the Millennium. The Jewish and Gentile believers who survive the Tribulation will go on to populate the Millennium. Believers who died before and during the Tribulation and believers who were raptured will be present on earth during the Millennium and because they will have glorified bodies they will not reproduce. All believers will be given special tasks by the Lord Jesus (Revelation 20:4-6). There will be no wars (Isaiah 2:2-4), animals will return to the Edenic state and become vegetarians (Isaiah 11:6-9), people will not labour in vain but eat what they plant and inhabit what they build, there will be renovations in the heavens and earth and there will be righteous and unrighteous children born during the Millennium (Isaiah 65:17-25).

At the end of the Millennium, Satan will be loosed from the Abyss and will deceive and gather the unrighteous for a war against the righteous. This will be his final attempt to destroy the righteous and when the unrighteous of the Millennium surround the good people, God will send fire down from Heaven which will suddenly and massively annihilate all of the wicked people. Satan will then be cast into the Lake of Fire where he will remain in torment for eternity (Revelation 20:7-10).


THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT

The Great White Throne Judgment will be the next main event. The old heavens and earth will be done away with and all will stand before God’s throne to be judged (Revelation 20:11-12). Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be cast into the Lake of Fire which will be their final and eternal abode (Revelation 20:14-15).


THE ETERNAL ORDER (REVELATION 21 AND 22)

Those whose names are found in the Book of Life will enjoy paradise with God forever. The heavens and earth will be made new and the New Jerusalem will come down upon the earth making the earth like Heaven. All curses from the fall will be removed and the earth will be inhabited by the Triune God (The Father, Son and Holy Spirit), all angels and all of the righteous. The seas, moon, night and sun will be done away with and the glory of God will illuminate the earth. The River of Life will flow from God’s throne, the Tree of Life will bear health-giving fruits and leaves and the name of Jesus will be on the foreheads of all of the righteous.


God’s Plan of Salvation for Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZkDk1GZ7do

Answer 8

Salvation does not require going to heaven.

The bible clearly teaches that earth is a desirable and intended home for mankind, and that faithful humans will enjoy eternal life on earth.

The fact is that the vast MAJORITY of Jehovah's Witnesses hope to enjoy life ON EARTH forever, rather than in heaven. Jehovah's Witnesses understand heaven to refer to the dwelling place of spirit creatures such as Jesus and the angels. They understand the Scriptures to teach that exactly 144,000 humans will join Christ Jesus as kings and priests to administer God's Kingdom (which will soon replace all earthly governments).
(Daniel 2:44) God of heaven will set up a kingdom... It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite
(Revelation 14:1) Lamb [Jesus] standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand
(Revelation 20:6) they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him

The men and women who make up the 144,000 are selected by God from among two thousand years of Christians. Over whom will they rule? Over the vast majority of mankind, most of whom will have been raised from the dead after Armageddon.
(John 11:23,24) Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”

Hell is NOT someplace/something mankind needs to fear; there is no suffering in the grave. Sometime after the resurrection, death and "hell" will themselves be destroyed.
(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all
(Ecclesiastes 9:10) there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol ["hell"]
(Revelation 20:14) And death and Hades ["hell"] were hurled into the lake of fire


Almighty Jehovah God selects those few who have the heavenly calling. Each person "feels" his own hope and each person's hope remains unquestioned by his fellow Christians. Still the vast majority (literally more than 99.9%*) of Jehovah's Witnesses expect an EARTHLY hope, the same hope given to Adam and Eve.
(Genesis 1:28) God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill THE EARTH and subdue it [caps added]
(Genesis 2:17) You must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die [so never eating from that tree means never dying]

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Answer 9

I think they are self decieved about the 144,000. The Witnesses who think they are part of the 144,000 thousand, call themselves "the annointed" slave class. At the Memorial, only the annointed partake of the wine and bread. So, just like the Catholic church, they have an Eclesia, and the "lay" people, but the Catholic lets everyone partake in bread and wine.
I think this scripture was directed towards the "Priestly" class, or teachers.
You shut the door to the kingdom of heaven in peoples faces, niether do you yourself go in, nor do you allow those who are trying to enter, to go in.

Answer 10

read your king James bible. it is in there also. it also tells you the the meek shall live forever on earth. look up the word hell, it is only the common grave where you go when you die. because of Adam and Eve sinning and since they are our parents we are born into sin. but Jehovah God did not change his mind about living on earth forever. the 144,000 are anointed by Jehovah and will be the only ones going to heaven, the rest will worship Jehovah God and Jesus and live on the earth forever. revelation 21 verse 3 and 4. we will get to see our dead love ones on earth again. here on earth. if Jesus was a friend of Lazarus and he died and was in heaven, what kind of friend would Jesus be to bring Lazarus back here on earth. also when Lazarus came back from his sleep he never said he was in heaven