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Salvation does not come by men or any group of people. A church can't save you and a person on this planet can't give you forgiveness of sin unto salvation. Salvation come via a new birth. This experence is not a washing of the body with literal water. This is a spiritual experence of a new birth. The holy spirit leads a person to the understanding of the state of sin they are living in. That person must ask God to forgive him of his sin and ask the Lord Jesus to be his Lord. When you do that and only when you do that the Holy Spirit administers the baptism of the spirit of Christ into you. The holy spirit seals you with the living waters of Christ which is his own spirit. Thus you have been born of water from above and the blood of the lamb. When you come into a loving and obidence unto the Father. If you will ask Jesus he will ask the Father to send you the helper. And the Father will send you the helper. The helper is the Holy Spirit he is the great teacher. Do you want salvation?

2006-12-27 21:31:01 · 8 answers · asked by Thomas A 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

People get saved everyday. In bathrooms in jails and in every place on the earth and this is how it happens. Sometimes it even happens in a church. Salvation is not a experence of feeling better it is a life changing experence. If is not about all this religious stuff it is about trusting God and coming full circle with ones on weakness and the need of a savior. Men are sinners the pope sins the priest sin and how so. Sinnful man can't give you salvation only Jesus can. Can you earn salvaiton or any forgiveness from sin. No the blood of the lamb is all God will execpt and Jesus died once for the sins of all. So are you sins washed away by the words of any men or by the blood of the lamb. The only thing God wants from you is your love that is not done in worshiping a false Jesus or a false religion. That is done by having a real relationship with God and seeking to pelase God by walking away from sin. Jesus has not endorced a sinful life we are expected to live aboue sin.

2006-12-27 21:38:04 · update #1

Jesus said my sheep know my voice?
Have you heard Jesus speaking to you. A real relationship has real people talking. As Jesus is sinless and he said my sheep hear my voice i want you to ask yourself a real hard question have you heard Jesus speaking to you. If not you are not right with God. You may not even be saved. why not search out God for confirmation. After death is to late.

2006-12-27 21:42:45 · update #2

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I use to be a Catholic and I left the religion because of this. I keep trying to tell my Catholic family, but they think I have lost my mind. I am a born again Christian and have been saved. Try telling Catholics this. Trust me, they are ignorant to the fact, as their priests don't tell them this even though it is in the Catholic Bible. I had to learn from my husbands Christian family. Most Catholics get more comfort praying to a statue of Mary than to trust in God. I told my Catholic sister that if she wants to pray to a statue, that I might as well put my shoe on the table and she can pray to that, as it will not do her anymore good than the statue. Also don't forget the pre-release center (purgatory) that Catholics believe in. They think if enough money is spent they will get prayed right out of purgatory, but try telling them that. I feel so sorry for the Catholics because they are not being told the truth by their priests, but yet they keep putting all their trust in them. The Catholic religion is no more than a cult. I can say this with truth because I use to be one!

ATTENTION ALL CATHOLICS! YOU ARE BEING LIED TO BY YOUR PREISTS!
READ John 3:3, because it is true!

2006-12-27 21:41:42 · answer #1 · answered by Dakota Lynn Takes Gun 6 · 3 5

Your comments reveal your ignorance.

Of course God's church can save you, and of course a man empowered by God to forgive sins in his name can absolve those sins and make things right with God, on your behalf.

Jesus did all this, and the first thing he did after he rose again, was to personally empower the men he had earlier hand-picked, to do so as well. And their successors continue to do God's work today.

Baptism is the sacrament that begins the process of salvation. It doesn't finish it. And because we're habitual, repeat sinners, and we don't listen very well to the prompting of the Holy Spirit, Jesus founded one holy, apostolic, and Catholic church to guide us, teach us, unite us, pick us up and dust us off when we fall, and to commend our spirit up to him once we die.

No book, not even a very holy book, can do all that. Your distinctively flawed version of Christian theology is the proof.

The truth has been known, and has been in constant operation for around 2000 years, despite what late comers like you choose to believe.

Anyone who claims to know for sure that he's saved is a fool, and is presuming something that only God has the right to decide.

All anyone can do is hope that God will have mercy on our soul, as all of us are sinners, and all of us rely only on God's grace and mercy for our salvation.

Those who think Christians have free reign to sin because Jesus already paid for everything are in for a big surprise.

Jesus accomplished whatever was necessary so that sins could be forgiven. He didn't die so everyone could sin freely and without any concern for eternal consequences.

And regarding your ignorance of the Catholic faith, I suggest you either learn the truth of it or stand down.

It appears that you are suffering from the all too common "log in the eye" syndrome that Jesus spoke about.

You can read about it in the Bible.

2006-12-28 09:40:19 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I always thought "Being Saved" was the end of the line.It is more of what we do here on Earth and then at judgment day we will be judged by our works.

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Matt. 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

So as can be seen by these verses FAITH ALONE DOES NOT CONSTITUTE BEING SAVED.

2006-12-28 14:26:29 · answer #3 · answered by trollwzrd 3 · 0 0

A Catholic does not arrogantly presume he is saved because he has "faith". You cannot do evil and say you have "faith" to save you. Jesus Christ will call you a hypocrite. He says so himself. Do you deny the Bible ? If you do the works of God and have faith in jesus Christ, you will be saved.

For your own sake, be careful that you do not (pretend at) fool yourself by selectively reading verses. Correct your heart with the truth and read the Bible properly and fully. Find a church that teaches the truth rather than interpret your own version of it. There is ONLY ONE version of the truth, that has been the deposit of the apostles from the beginning.

2006-12-28 05:38:35 · answer #4 · answered by defOf 4 · 2 1

Basicly, you don't know if you are saved. That was the party line when I was a Catholic and my research tells me that is what they still believe. What they think is that God is the judge. They believe that Jesus "sits at the right hand of God from whence he will judge the living and the dead." This is why you don't hear Catholics reffering to themselves as Christians. They think that is presumtuous as it is Christ's job to judge, for all eternity, at the end of time.
The idea you are getting at about salvation comming directly from God is not at odds with Catholic teaching. According to them, they ask God for the remission of sin through the intercession of a priest (who is supposed to be a holy man in direct and constant communion with God) The priests grants absolution through the power of God in the Sacrament of Confession. (There are seven Sacraments in Catholocism.) This is supposed to be an expedient, and not an obstacle. A crude analogy would be that you would not take your Rolls Royce to a Chevy dealer. So why leave your salvation in your own hands. These priests are supposed to be ordained by God himself. (By the way, Protestants believe the same thing about their Pastors, Priests, Bishops and what have you. So it is not such an alien belief) The ability to talk directly to God is encouraged by the Cathloic hierarchy. The remission of sin is recognized as a gift of God by the Catholic Church and in times of distress or nearness of death all Catholics are instructed to say a perfect Act of Contrition directly to god for the remission of their sins with the full faith that God will hear their request and grant it.

2006-12-28 05:52:30 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

How do you know that you are saved . What is this hatred towards Catholics You have been criticizing our faith for a while . If we want to Be Catholics we will be and you cant stop us. And yes I will meet Jesus when he comes back because I follow all his teachings and believe in God and I am (shock horror) a Catholic and no matter what you say against my Church I will stay a Catholic until God calls me home and He will !

2006-12-28 05:36:30 · answer #6 · answered by ? 6 · 1 1

+ The easy answer:
- We are baptized and spiritually born again
- We follow the teachings of Jesus Christ
- We do not commit mortal sin

+ The complicated answer:

We are already saved:
- “For in hope we were saved.” (Romans 8:24)
- “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God.” (Ephesians 2:5-8)

We are being saved:
- “He will keep you firm to the end, irreproachable on the day of our Lord Jesus.” (1 Corinthians 1:8)
- “For we are the aroma of Christ for God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.” (2 Corinthians 2:15)
- “So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” (Philippians 2:12)

We have the hope that we will be saved:
- “How much more then, since we are now justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath. Indeed, if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, once reconciled, will we be saved by his life.” (Romans 5:9-10)
- “If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire (itself) will test the quality of each one's work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.” (1 Corinthians 3:12-15)

Like the Apostle Paul, we are working out our salvation in “fear and trembling,” (Philippians 2:12) and with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ:
- “Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access (by faith) to this grace in which we stand, and we boast in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:2)
- “This saying is trustworthy: If we have died with him we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him. But if we deny him he will deny us. If we are unfaithful he remains faithful, for he cannot deny himself. (2 Timothy 2:11–13)

With love in Christ.

2006-12-29 00:04:47 · answer #7 · answered by imacatholic2 7 · 0 0

Can You Know?



Related to the issue of whether one can lose one’s salvation is the question of whether one can know with complete certainty that one is in a state of salvation. Even if one could not lose one’s salvation, one still might not be sure whether one ever had salvation. Similarly, even if one could be sure that one is now in a state of salvation, one might be able to fall from grace in the future. The "knowability" of salvation is a different question than the "loseability" of salvation.

From the Radio Bible Class listeners can obtain a booklet called Can Anyone Really Know for Sure? The anonymous author says the "Lord Jesus wanted his followers to be so sure of their salvation that they would rejoice more in the expectation of heaven than in victories on earth. ‘These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God (1 John 5:13).’"

Places where Scripture speaks of our ability to know that we are abiding in grace are important and must be taken seriously. But they do not promise that we will be protected from self-deception on this matter. Even the author of Can Anyone Really Know for Sure? admits that there is a false assurance: "The New Testament teaches us that genuine assurance is possible and desirable, but it also warns us that we can be deceived through a false assurance. Jesus declared: ‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven’ (Matt. 7:21)."

Sometimes Fundamentalists portray Catholics as if they must every moment be in terror of losing their salvation since Catholics recognize that it is possible to lose salvation through mortal sin. Fundamentalists then hold out the idea that, rather than living every moment in terror, they can have a calm, assured knowledge that they will, in fact, be saved, and that nothing will ever be able to change this fact.

But this portrayal is in error. Catholics do not live lives of mortal terror concerning salvation. True, salvation can be lost through mortal sin, but such sins are by nature grave ones, and not the kind that a person living the Christian life is going to slip into committing on the spur of the moment, without deliberate thought and consent. Neither does the Catholic Church teach that one cannot have an assurance of salvation. This is true both of present and future salvation.

One can be confident of one’s present salvation. This is one of the chief reasons why God gave us the sacraments—to provide visible assurances that he is invisibly providing us with his grace. And one can be confident that one has not thrown away that grace by simply examining one’s life and seeing whether one has committed mortal sin. Indeed, the tests that John sets forth in his first epistle to help us know whether we are abiding in grace are, in essence, tests of whether we are dwelling in grave sin. For example, "By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother" (1 John 3:10), "If any one says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 John 4:20), "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3).

Likewise, by looking at the course of one’s life in grace and the resolution of one’s heart to keep following God, one can also have an assurance of future salvation. It is this Paul speaks of when he writes to the Philippians and says, "And I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6). This is not a promise for all Christians, or even necessarily all in the church at Philippi, but it is a confidence that the Philippian Christians in general would make it. The basis of this is their spiritual performance to date, and Paul feels a need to explain to them that there is a basis for his confidence in them. Thus he says, immediately, "It is right for me to feel thus about you all, because I hold you in my heart, for you are all partakers with me of grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel" (1:7). The fact that the Philippians performed spiritually by assisting Paul in his imprisonment and ministry showed that their hearts were with God and that it could be expected that they, at least in general, would persevere and remain with God.

There are many saintly men and women who have long lived the Christian life and whose characters are marked with profound spiritual joy and peace. Such individuals can look forward with confidence to their reception in heaven.

Such an individual was Paul, writing at the end of his life, "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day" (2 Tim. 4:7-8). But earlier in life, even Paul did not claim an infallible assurance, either of his present justification or of his remaining in grace in the future. Concerning his present state, he wrote, "I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby justified [Gk., dedikaiomai]. It is the Lord who judges me" (1 Cor. 4:4). Concerning his remaining life, Paul was frank in admitting that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). Of course, for a spiritual giant such as Paul, it would be quite unexpected and out of character for him to fall from God’s grace. Nevertheless, he points out that, however much confidence in his own salvation he may be warranted in feeling, even he cannot be infallibly sure either of his own present state or of his future course.

The same is true of us. We can, if our lives display a pattern of perseverance and spiritual fruit, have not only a confidence in our present state of grace but also of our future perseverance with God. Yet we cannot have an infallible certitude of our own salvation, as many Protestants will admit. There is the possibility of self-deception (cf. Matt. 7:22-23). As Jeremiah expressed it, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it?" (Jer. 17:9). There is also the possibility of falling from grace through mortal sin, and even of falling away from the faith entirely, for as Jesus told us, there are those who "believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13). It is in the light of these warnings and admonitions that we must understand Scripture’s positive statements concerning our ability to know and have confidence in our salvation. Assurance we may have; infallible certitude we may not.

For example, Philippians 2:12 says, "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." This is not the language of self-confident assurance. Our salvation is something that remains to be worked out.


What To Say



"Are you saved?" asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: "As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

2006-12-28 23:15:05 · answer #8 · answered by Pastor Billy 5 · 0 0

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